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Title: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 05, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
Ok, it appears a few others members may now be cutting.

Lets use this thread to discuss results and any tips you wish to pass along

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Good luck to everyone and looking forward to your success!

Your pal,

Djflex
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 05, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
I'm in.  Started officially on Tuesday.  Down a few lbs already.

I'm excited about it.  First cut in over 2 years.

Weighed in at 272 at my comp on August 9; tipped the scales at around 266 this morning.


In before Lisa.   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 05, 2014, 07:17:36 PM
Good luck cutters!

I'm tryna gain about 7 lean lbs, going pretty well so far
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 05, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
Many may know of my cut. As i basically called myself out for becoming a fatass

Still chipping along and actually will most likely extend out a few more months


The thing that has sucked the most is the feeling of losing size.

Im getting used to being hungry alot so that is passing

Im trying to get to a point where my bodyfat is manageable. That way any future gains will not have me to go through a drastic cut again. Unless i choose to, of course.


So far progress has come, albeit slowly.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 05, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
I forgot to add. A huge part of my goal is to get that "pop" when i flex.
The 70's big look for i use to shoot for just had me looking smooth and honestly just portly
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 05, 2014, 07:33:08 PM
This pic was taken a few days ago, after a long weekend of eating and drinking. However , abs are slowly coming in


(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h393/dj132112/CD857157-273A-4CB3-8757-99A03F279CE7.jpg) (http://s1107.photobucket.com/user/dj132112/media/CD857157-273A-4CB3-8757-99A03F279CE7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 05, 2014, 07:34:11 PM
Easiest thing for me is to be hungry during the day while I am at the office then eat a big dinner and never go to bed hungry.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 05, 2014, 07:35:34 PM
Flex, if we get a few more replies perhaps we can sticky this?

Could be a nice ongoing thread since many will most likely not cut until late winter..
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on September 05, 2014, 07:40:27 PM
Good luck guys.  I'll join in eventually.  For now, I'm trying to carb cycle a little bit.  Basically, I eat what I want on workout days and cut out carbs on off days.  Sure does make me look forward to training days.

My advice is drink gallons of water throughout the day.  It helps deal with hunger issues.  You might want to stop a few hours before bedtime though or you'll be up a lot.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 05, 2014, 07:42:04 PM
Flex, if we get a few more replies perhaps we can sticky this?

Done.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 05, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Waah, waah, waaaaah...  cutting too.   :'(

Such misery.

My own fault.  Time to pay the piper.  I made some bad choices, now I have to fix things. 

I started on Tuesday.  Haven't lost an ounce.  I know, it's only 3 days. 

A couple weeks ago, I started to prepare myself psychologically and kind of gear up.  I have a plethora of great low-cal recipes lined up for my lunches.  I've switched from cream to skim milk in my coffee.  And much to my surprise, I've actually enjoyed laying off the sauce during the week and getting to bed early.  Go figure!

It'll be months and months - maybe even a year - to take off all the weight I've put on the last 2 years.  I'm trying to look to short-term goals, like fitting into my old jeans by Christmas.  One day at a time. 

Good luck cutters.  I'll check in with my successes and occasionally just to commiserate.  lol...  My boss knows I started a diet on Tuesday and she's got a good sense of humour.  I signed a couple of emails to her with "PS: I hate dieting"!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 05, 2014, 07:44:18 PM
Flex, if we get a few more replies perhaps we can sticky this?

Done.

Thanks. That was quick , those 5lbs you lost are already increasing your admin speed.

:D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 05, 2014, 07:46:15 PM
Welcome and good luck lisa!

Try not to weigh yourself much if you can. Wait until you know you have already lost for sure!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 05, 2014, 07:49:34 PM
Thanks deej.  One thing I have to do this weekend is take my measurements.   :eek:

But I remember being glad of watching the tape measure move when the scale wouldn't move.

I worked from home 3 days this week and hit the gym all three days.  Lifting and cardio each day.  Talked to the boss today and my schedule is the same next week.  :)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 05, 2014, 07:58:23 PM
I worked from home 3 days this week and hit the gym all three days.  Lifting and cardio each day. 

And not a single beer.  Congrats baby.  :clap:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: ljimd on September 05, 2014, 08:01:22 PM
Good luck cutters. Might start a small one myself. Could be fun.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 05, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
I worked from home 3 days this week and hit the gym all three days.  Lifting and cardio each day. 

And not a single beer.  Congrats baby.  :clap:

For me dropping the week day beers was not horrible. I usually drank the most during the weekend.
The hard part of it was mixing in more lite beers. That and not eating at nite after being drunk, lol

May have to pick up some rum and diet cokes though to keep progressing
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 05, 2014, 08:03:42 PM
May have to pick up some rum and diet cokes though to keep progressing

Thought about gin and soda myself but I'm not ready for that yet.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: ljimd on September 05, 2014, 08:08:19 PM
May have to pick up some rum and diet cokes though to keep progressing

Thought about gin and soda myself but I'm not ready for that yet.

I'll use vodka and diet 7-up sometimes. Kinda on the sweet side, but gets the job done.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 05, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
That and not eating at nite after being drunk, lol

I think eating some good protons is better in the long run, provided you lifted heavy that day
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 05, 2014, 08:18:12 PM
I'll use vodka and diet 7-up sometimes. Kinda on the sweet side, but gets the job done.

Nice.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on September 05, 2014, 09:08:40 PM
I usually don't binge when I drink beer.  It's like an appetite suppressant for me.  When my wife drinks wine she ends up cleaning out the kids poptart stash.  She ate half of my snickers that I bought for my meet too.   >:(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 05, 2014, 09:14:09 PM
I usually don't binge when I drink beer.  It's like an appetite suppressant for me.  When my wife drinks wine she ends up cleaning out the kids poptart stash.  She ate half of my snickers that I bought for my meet too.   >:(

Too funny.  When I drink it kills my appetite too.

When I was not training it was not uncommon for me to eat lunch on Friday and then not eat again until lunch on Monday.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 06, 2014, 11:23:15 AM
Holy shit!!!!   262 this morning brothers and sisters.   :o

 8)

I'm not eating or drinking until Tuesday.   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on September 06, 2014, 07:23:17 PM
Holy shit!!!!   262 this morning brothers and sisters.   :o

 8)

I'm not eating or drinking until Tuesday.   ;D
At that pace, you'll be in my weight class by August.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 06, 2014, 07:44:34 PM
Holy shit!!!!   262 this morning brothers and sisters.   :o

 8)

I'm not eating or drinking until Tuesday.   ;D

Wow, that is quick
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 06, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
In  :(

Haven't actually started yet, but it needs to happen.  I'm right at the top of the weight range I'm comfortable being in, and with just these last few pounds added I'm now too heavy to do pull-ups anymore.  Not happy about that part either!!!

I just need to figure out what my goal is.  I have no fricking idea and with all the stress in my life right now, I'm really unmotivated to get started.  So this should go really well then  ::)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 06, 2014, 08:06:49 PM
In  :(

Haven't actually started yet, but it needs to happen.  I'm right at the top of the weight range I'm comfortable being in, and with just these last few pounds added I'm now too heavy to do pull-ups anymore.  Not happy about that part either!!!

I just need to figure out what my goal is.  I have no fricking idea and with all the stress in my life right now, I'm really unmotivated to get started.  So this should go really well then  ::)

Welcome!

As far as goals maybe just pick something easy. Like eating a little less for each meal for one week?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 06, 2014, 08:16:24 PM
with all the stress in my life right now, I'm really unmotivated to get started.

just went through a very stressful time. If you don't stick to your guns with your lifting discipline, it compounds the stress. If you stick to your goals, it reduces it. I took the wrong approach last time.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 06, 2014, 08:19:18 PM
with all the stress in my life right now, I'm really unmotivated to get started.

just went through a very stressful time. If you don't stick to your guns with your lifting discipline, it compounds the stress. If you stick to your goals, it reduces it. I took the wrong approach last time.

Spot on bando my man

Fighting throught that as well. Missed a lift or two last couple weeks and it made me worse. In the gym stress can fade away , at least for a little while
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 06, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Thank you Bando and DJ!  Yes, that all definitely seems to be true, very wise advice!  I've missed more workouts in the last few weeks than I ever have since I started lifting three years ago.  And I think it totally, totally added to my stress.  Gym time seems to be my sanity break and "me" time, I just hadn't realized how much since I had never missed more than a day or two here and there before. I had a normal workout schedule this week, my strength feels like it's back, and that makes me stupid happy lol.  I even bought myself a sling shot and had way too much fun playing with that.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 06, 2014, 09:15:43 PM
with all the stress in my life right now, I'm really unmotivated to get started.

just went through a very stressful time. If you don't stick to your guns with your lifting discipline, it compounds the stress. If you stick to your goals, it reduces it. I took the wrong approach last time.

Holy smokes!  This is what I just said to Jim.  I made a bad mistake starting work at 5 am each day.  I ought to have been at the gym at 5 am.  This week I have learned that I accomplished more in the 10 hours following a workout than I did in the 15 hours without any workout. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 06, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
Once in awhile me and DJ get it right. like a thousand monkeys sitting at a thousand typerwriters will eventually type a Shakeshphere play.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 06, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Once in awhile me and DJ get it right. like a thousand monkeys sitting at a thousand typerwriters will eventually type a Shakeshphere play.

Tmonkey writes plays and hasn't invited me to act yet?  SOB.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on September 06, 2014, 10:39:37 PM
Many may know of my cut. As i basically called myself out for becoming a fatass

Still chipping along and actually will most likely extend out a few more months


The thing that has sucked the most is the feeling of losing size.

Im getting used to being hungry alot so that is passing

Im trying to get to a point where my bodyfat is manageable. That way any future gains will not have me to go through a drastic cut again. Unless i choose to, of course.


So far progress has come, albeit slowly.

BOOM!!! That's it for me right there. I'm not a real big guy to start and when I notice that I'm losing size I have a real hard time continuing to cut.  :banghead:

Good luck to everyone. I'll be joining you all after December.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 09, 2014, 03:59:28 PM
Ive kinda settled in to where i eat like im supposed to all week. Then my weekends i am much more liberal. It may slow me down a little, but it is helping fighting off the hunger as i roll on until friday night.

I still try to be sonewhat careful on the weekends though
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 09, 2014, 05:28:09 PM
Ewww.... a cutting thread! In on this...

As you all know we have been building a new house and finished up and will hopefully be moving next week. For the past couple of months I have pretty much been at the new place till late evening so diet has been complete shit and mostly consisting of Subway or a run through Taco Hell for dinner each night.

Haven't been able to keep normal gym schedule for running around getting things lined up for the house. Been really hit and miss the past two weeks.

I have managed to keep weight pretty much under control but I always put on some lbs during the winter months so I plan to drop back down to 126 like I did in the spring. Weighed in this morning at 132 on the dot. So that is only 6lbs. Watching what I eat this week and once I get settled in to the new house I will track my food like I did before.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 09, 2014, 06:17:16 PM
Back up to 270.  Wtf?

2 meals a day and 3 light beers and I am not losing weight???

I hate life.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 09, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
Trust the process!!! LOL!!

SRS!! My weight on cut would fluctuate like 2 or 3lbs a day and then drop back down.

Patience Grasshopper!!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on September 09, 2014, 06:29:24 PM
Trust the process!!! LOL!!

SRS!! My weight on cut would fluctuate like 2 or 3lbs a day and then drop back down.

Patience Grasshopper!!

^ Wut she said.  Usually when I'd see a bump up a nice drop is right behind it.  I was 179 two days ago from water bloat and I was 173.8 this morning.  I'm not happy with the extra flab I've put on since the meat, but the progress in the gym makes it worth it.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 09, 2014, 06:30:03 PM
I did start taking creatine again after about a month off so maybe a bit of water retention...
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 09, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
I did start taking creatine again after about a month off so maybe a bit of water retention...

Flex, patience is a virtue on a cut.

Dude don't weigh yourself for at least 3 weeks or so.

Otherwise you will go crazy

I know you already know this...
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on September 09, 2014, 10:09:37 PM
I did start taking creatine again after about a month off so maybe a bit of water retention...

Flex, patience is a virtue on a cut.

Dude don't weigh yourself for at least 3 weeks or so.

Otherwise you will go crazy

I know you already know this...

DJ is dead on, weighing yourself everyday or even a few times a week is bad.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Little Tim on September 09, 2014, 10:15:27 PM
I dunno about that.  Kept a sheet of graph paper on a clipboard next to my bathroom scale when I lost weight in the past.  Looked like a stock market graph, but the best thing was to see trends over a few weeks. 

I'll be throwing my hat in this ring either next week or the end of the month. Going to commit to a 90 day run, take a break for the holidays and reevaluate at new years.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 09, 2014, 10:16:42 PM
I dunno about that.  Kept a sheet of graph paper on a clipboard next to my bathroom scale when I lost weight in the past.  Looked like a stock market graph, but the best thing was to see trends over a few weeks. 

I'll be throwing my hat in this ring either next week or the end of the month. Going to commit to a 90 day run, take a break for the holidays and reevaluate at new years.

Sounds like a plan. Good luck
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 10, 2014, 09:48:42 AM
I dunno about that.  Kept a sheet of graph paper on a clipboard next to my bathroom scale when I lost weight in the past.  Looked like a stock market graph, but the best thing was to see trends over a few weeks. 

I'll be throwing my hat in this ring either next week or the end of the month. Going to commit to a 90 day run, take a break for the holidays and reevaluate at new years.

I weighed every single day on my cut and recorded it. Higher carb days and my beer days were on Sunday so would see a larger increase on Monday mornings. Usually on Wednesday I would hit where I was lowest and continue to drop. It was actually pretty neat to see how certain foods affected my weight and how it fluctuated from day to day.

I didn't obssess over the weight, I just watched it go up and down.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 10, 2014, 09:59:11 AM
I'm going to join the official IS cut, and dammit, I'm sticking with it this time.  I cut for this summer, but never got down as far as I wanted and I'm back up into the low to mid 250's again.  I've made some mass gains, but it's time to strip off the fat.  I was 252 after my workout this morning, and I'm shooting for 235.

I weigh myself everyday as well, whether I'm cutting or not.  That doesn't work for everyone.  I view it as data, and as an engineer, the more data I have the better.  I don't feel the need to act on small, short term changes in the data, but not everyone has that view.  If seeing the number go up and down day to day bugs you, weigh yourself less often. 

I also check my 401K balance everyday, I know that would drive some people crazy!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 10, 2014, 10:01:40 AM
I know I shouldn't weigh myself every day....but.....265 again this morning.

 8)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 10, 2014, 10:12:12 AM
I also check my 401K balance everyday, I know that would drive some people crazy!

No way in hell I could do this everyday!! But reminds me I haven't checked it since the spring. Better go take a looksey!

I get my statements via email and never look at them. I usually check about twice a year and make adjustments if needed.

And good luck on your cut. Looks like we have a group cut going on up in here! Best of luck to everyone!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 10, 2014, 11:07:18 AM
Good luck big daddy and nuh
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on September 10, 2014, 11:15:42 AM
I'm going to join the official IS cut, and dammit, I'm sticking with it this time.  I cut for this summer, but never got down as far as I wanted and I'm back up into the low to mid 250's again.  I've made some mass gains, but it's time to strip off the fat.  I was 252 after my workout this morning, and I'm shooting for 235.

I weigh myself everyday as well, whether I'm cutting or not.  That doesn't work for everyone.  I view it as data, and as an engineer, the more data I have the better.  I don't feel the need to act on small, short term changes in the data, but not everyone has that view.  If seeing the number go up and down day to day bugs you, weigh yourself less often. 

I also check my 401K balance everyday, I know that would drive some people crazy!

I rarely check my balance, would probably make me cry. And regarding weight I know mine will fluctuate 4-5 lbs easily, except lately it's been pretty consistent at #245 or so which is about #25 more than I want but I am enjoying food too much right now.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on September 11, 2014, 01:54:49 PM
Back up to 270.  Wtf?

2 meals a day and 3 light beers and I am not losing weight???

I hate life.

I think your body is rebelling.  ;)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 11, 2014, 02:12:03 PM
Been good with the beers this week again.

Monday: 3 lights beers
Tuesday: 4 regular beers
Wednesday: 4.5 regular beers

Still around 265+
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 11, 2014, 03:44:57 PM
Zero beers and soup for lunch all week.

Considering gnawing my left arm off, but it'd be too high-fat of a meal!!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 11, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
Zero beers and soup for lunch all week.

Nice work.  :thumbs_up:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 11, 2014, 04:13:14 PM
Good for you Lisa!

I have cut back on my beers too :(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 11, 2014, 07:53:07 PM
Been good with the beers this week again.

Monday: 3 lights beers
Tuesday: 4 regular beers
Wednesday: 4.5 regular beers

Still around 265+

4.5 beers? You wasting  beers up there flex?
Appealing to bando for  a short ban....
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 11, 2014, 07:54:27 PM
Zero beers and soup for lunch all week.

Considering gnawing my left arm off, but it'd be too high-fat of a meal!!

Good job lisa!

Be hungry aint so bad, its the intense feeling of anger i dislike
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 11, 2014, 07:59:18 PM

2 meals a day ... and I am not losing weight???


I honestly believe if you split those 2 meals into 5-6 meals you would notice a difference. I'm dropping bodyfat by eating more often
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 11, 2014, 08:28:02 PM
Alrighty, officially starting cut tomorrow.  I'll take my 'before' measurements in the morning and then I have to start being a good girl about tracking everything again.

Darn it all.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 12, 2014, 05:12:16 AM
I honestly believe if you split those 2 meals into 5-6 meals you would notice a difference.

Ain't nobody got time for that.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: deerslayer on September 12, 2014, 08:08:36 AM
Weighed in at 204lbs last night on the gym scale......will weigh again next Thurs.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 12, 2014, 10:49:22 AM
I honestly believe if you split those 2 meals into 5-6 meals you would notice a difference.

Ain't nobody got time for that.

no time to jam a couple hardboiled eggs 2-3 times during the workday :S
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 12, 2014, 11:02:12 AM

2 meals a day ... and I am not losing weight???


I honestly believe if you split those 2 meals into 5-6 meals you would notice a difference. I'm dropping bodyfat by eating more often

I also do the multiple smaller meals, but I'm not sure that meal timing/frequency has all that much of a impact on weight loss.  I do think the smaller meals are better at keeping you from feeling hungry.

Flex, how many calories are you eating in those 2 meals?  How many glasses of milk a day?  How many gatorades, beers, coffee with sugar and cream?

You add up the calories from all those things and I think you'll be surprised. 

A large glass (12oz) of 2% milk is almost 200 calories.
A 20oz Gatorade is 140.
4 beers is probably 500 calories.

That's 840 calories before you've even had any food.

I know you've said you don't want to track calories before, but if you want to get serious about it, it's the way to go.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on September 12, 2014, 11:04:27 AM
I prefer splitting my carbs up into smaller meals, I usually try to keep it to 12 oz servings, sometimes 16 oz.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 12, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Flex, how many calories are you eating in those 2 meals?  How many glasses of milk a day?  How many gatorades, beers, coffee with sugar and cream?

You add up the calories from all those things and I think you'll be surprised. 

A large glass (12oz) of 2% milk is almost 200 calories.
A 20oz Gatorade is 140.
4 beers is probably 500 calories.

That's 840 calories before you've even had any food.

I know you've said you don't want to track calories before, but if you want to get serious about it, it's the way to go.

I am good for 1 gatorade usually which is only 50 calories because I buy G2. Occasionally 2.
Also lately I have been having a can of V8 on most days; 70 calories.
Lunch is 2 beef burgers each day with no buns and a bit of Heinz 57.  That's about 1,000 calories right there.
Sometimes I will have a handful or two of roasted peanuts during the day; holy crap just realized that could easily be 500+ calories.  ZOMG!
Been holding myself to 4 beers or less during the week and you're right that is probably 500 cals.
Then I have dinner which is whatever...1,000 cals plus for sure.
Then a pint (500mL) of skim milk after dinner. So that's another 200 cals or so.

So yeah I am probably around 3,500 cals a day.

And I'm hungry as fuck. :(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 12, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
Flex, how many calories are you eating in those 2 meals?  How many glasses of milk a day?  How many gatorades, beers, coffee with sugar and cream?

You add up the calories from all those things and I think you'll be surprised. 

A large glass (12oz) of 2% milk is almost 200 calories.
A 20oz Gatorade is 140.
4 beers is probably 500 calories.

That's 840 calories before you've even had any food.

I know you've said you don't want to track calories before, but if you want to get serious about it, it's the way to go.

I am good for 1 gatorade usually which is only 50 calories because I buy G2. Occasionally 2.
Also lately I have been having a can of V8 on most days; 70 calories.
Lunch is 2 beef burgers each day with no buns and a bit of Heinz 57.  That's about 1,000 calories right there.
Sometimes I will have a handful or two of roasted peanuts during the day; holy crap just realized that could easily be 500+ calories.  ZOMG!
Been holding myself to 4 beers or less during the week and you're right that is probably 500 cals.
Then I have dinner which is whatever...1,000 cals plus for sure.
Then a pint (500mL) of skim milk after dinner. So that's another 200 cals or so.

So yeah I am probably around 3,500 cals a day.

And I'm hungry as fuck. :(

I maintain on around 3,200 without doing any cardio, and I'm only 15lbs lighter than you.   
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 12, 2014, 11:43:21 AM
FLEX just imagine how many calories you were consuming when you were drinking all the beer you wanted to :o

By tracking my stuff I learned my calories were way more than what I had thought. I accounted for every teaspoon of sugar in my coffee, every piece of lettuce, etc. I also learned in the tracking that I was no where near close to what protein I needed to be taking in each day.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: doughnutgut on September 12, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
2460 is my poverty maintenance.

Fuk eating millions of small meals a day. Do what you feel comfortable with. Unless of course you are prepping. Different game though.

Bread and butter here is a deficit.

Nothing more to it.

Stick to the program your running. Notice what strength tsils off first. Ohp usually for meand many others.

Adjust according to strength loss.

Works for me. Always will.

Fwiw. Been running at above maintenance for 34 weeks. Added 0.57lb a week. Will re evaluate my goals in January.

Back to lurking.

 ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 12, 2014, 12:31:00 PM

Lunch is 2 beef burgers each day with no buns and a bit of Heinz 57.  That's about 1,000 calories right there.

those would be some awful big burgers

And yes, smaller meals with more feedings will keep you feeling full. It's kind of a chore for me to get 2 breakfasts in. I feel like the old weight loss adage of "breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper," works for me. And DNG, I've been at this awhile and the BroSci about your not shedding fat when you feel hungry is not BroSci IMO.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 12, 2014, 12:59:01 PM

Lunch is 2 beef burgers each day with no buns and a bit of Heinz 57.  That's about 1,000 calories right there.

those would be some awful big burgers


I think they are a half pound each, uncooked.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: doughnutgut on September 12, 2014, 01:10:42 PM
Bando.

My weight didnt magically fall off bro. ;)

It also didnt magically come back on....

Small meals. What ever rocks your boat. Non prep diet cutting. Eat when you want.

Although digging deeper into it. Timing is not as important to us mere mortals.



Time under the iron or not. Gnome sayin.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: ljimd on September 12, 2014, 01:19:51 PM
Started a practice cut myself Monday.  Just finished lunch and am
hungry as hell right now. Worst part is 2beer/day limit.

I tried to add some mass the last year and now it's time to strip off
some fat and see whats left.  I haven't used much cardio in the past,
but might do it a little different this time.

Interested to see how it goes for everyone. My main focus is  @400 cal
deficit a day with a gallon of water and sub 100gr carbs a day. Worked in the
past and will hopefully work again.  Energy drain has already started and I
expected it.  Been to this movie a few times.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 12, 2014, 01:22:09 PM
Been to this movie a few times.

No spoilers please!   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 12, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
Bando.

My weight didnt magically fall off bro. ;)

It also didnt magically come back on....

Small meals. What ever rocks your boat. Non prep diet cutting. Eat when you want.

Although digging deeper into it. Timing is not as important to us mere mortals.



Time under the iron or not. Gnome sayin.


I've had a bit of time under the Iron Mate

(http://i.imgur.com/vpUhlp0l.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 12, 2014, 02:09:22 PM

Lunch is 2 beef burgers each day with no buns and a bit of Heinz 57.  That's about 1,000 calories right there.

those would be some awful big burgers


I think they are a half pound each, uncooked.

Depending on how lean a beef you use, 2 8oz burgers could be over 1,100 calories.

~1,150 for 80% lean, with ~76g protein
~950 for 85% lean, with ~85g protein
~780 for 90% lean, with ~92g protein

And that's if you have nothing else with them.

Flex, do you use any whey or casein powder?  You are looking at 150 calories a scoop for most of those as well.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 12, 2014, 02:13:35 PM
Flex, do you use any whey or casein powder?  You are looking at 150 calories a scoop for most of those as well.

Have not used any whey in about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 12, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
OK; weight on the scale aside, I can tighten my belt one more notch from notch #1 (LMAO) to notch #2.

So there's that....  :)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 12, 2014, 03:16:36 PM
^^^^ This is the true way to see results.

Scale weight is going to vary but how your clothes fit and how you look in the mirror is the best way to judge your progress.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on September 12, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
I had to loosen my weight belt one notch last week. Just call me Marius


that's some funny shit right there, I don't care who you are.








On a serious note,  I'm fairly certain my belt was too tight bc my lifts were dropping..squats, dl's.  Since I loosened the belt my lifts have gone back up to where they were and increased.






Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 12, 2014, 03:47:19 PM
Scale weight is going to vary but how your clothes fit and how you look in the mirror is the best way to judge your progress.

Got a bit of an ego boost this morning at the gym.

This BIG fukking dude that I have seen for a while but never talked to was asking me about my squat belt and we talked about squats a bit (on which he was complimenting me hugely) and I told him I was going back to more of a bodybuilding routine for a while because I think I look like shit and he was like "Fuck that, you have a great physique."

So maybe when I get this gut under control I cna post some killer 5 year progress pics.

Abs at 240?  Maybe....
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 12, 2014, 04:57:07 PM
Flex, do you use any whey or casein powder?  You are looking at 150 calories a scoop for most of those as well.

Have not used any whey in about 2 weeks.

Im using whey sparingly since cutting as well

Mostly if i know im not going to eat right away after my lift
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 12, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
Flex, do you use any whey or casein powder?  You are looking at 150 calories a scoop for most of those as well.

Have not used any whey in about 2 weeks.

Im using whey sparingly since cutting as well

Mostly if i know im not going to eat right away after my lift

I use it, on a cut or not. Otherwise I have a really hard time hitting my protein goals.

I've always read that you should keep your protein intake up, or make it even higher during a cut.  It's supposed to help maintain muscle mass.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 12, 2014, 07:38:18 PM
I just find it tends to bloat me a bit and that makes me crazy when I am cutting.

Psychological shit I know, but....
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on September 12, 2014, 11:04:05 PM
I just find it tends to bloat me a bit and that makes me crazy when I am cutting.

Psychological shit I know, but....

That psychological shit is the worst. That's what makes me stop cutting when I see I'm getting smaller. I may not be but it looks to me like I am and I can't stand it.

Plus I just found these new cookie dough Oreo's tonight. I'll lose weight next week. LMAO
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 13, 2014, 10:32:00 AM
Rough nite of slacking off my cut last nite. Chicago style pizza and dark beer. Oh lawd no weigh ins thus weekend. No worries back on track sunday as saturday is always a "cheat " day
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 13, 2014, 12:03:49 PM
Rough nite of slacking off my cut last nite. Chicago style pizza and dark beer.

Lisa made Penne and Parmesan chicken for dinner last night; it was awesome. 

Did not count my beers.  267-ish this morning.   :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 13, 2014, 12:45:15 PM
Down 7 or 8 lbs since Labour Day.  We have a dial scale -hard to be precise.  I'm happy with that and motivated to keep going next week. :)

Although when Flex hugged me I did ask him, "Can you feel my bones?  Have I gotten too skinny? Do you want me to stop now?"   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on September 13, 2014, 12:46:34 PM
Good job LISA!  You're doing great!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 13, 2014, 12:48:19 PM
Excellent miss  lisa!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 13, 2014, 12:52:24 PM
Lisa is smoking me in the willpower and lbs lost department.

She didn't get to train on Thursday and that was my fault, so we're going to do deadlifts together in the garage tomorrow (since I have extra bars now) and then go for a bike ride (weather permitting).

I am going to try to eliminate beer Mon-Thu now too.... :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 13, 2014, 12:57:03 PM
Thanks fellers!

I'm tracking on myfitnesspal.  (Good lord, when I logged in, it said it had been 20 months since I last logged.  Wanna know how to get fat?  Stop looking at what you're eating and drinking for 20 months.  :-[ )

Anyway, they have this awesome new feature - you can upload a recipe from a website (like foodnetwork.com) or just cut and paste any recipe and it will tell you how many calories per serving.  I know it is not entirely reliable, but I think it's a great start. 

And, my food scale arrived this week.  I got it off of Amazon for only $26. 
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41iB6oLyeuL._SX300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 13, 2014, 02:16:27 PM
Thanks fellers!

I'm tracking on myfitnesspal.  (Good lord, when I logged in, it said it had been 20 months since I last logged.  Wanna know how to get fat?  Stop looking at what you're eating and drinking for 20 months.  :-[ )

Anyway, they have this awesome new feature - you can upload a recipe from a website (like foodnetwork.com) or just cut and paste any recipe and it will tell you how many calories per serving.  I know it is not entirely reliable, but I think it's a great start. 

And, my food scale arrived this week.  I got it off of Amazon for only $26. 
([url]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41iB6oLyeuL._SX300_.jpg[/url])


myfitnesspal is a great tool.  I've been using for about 3 years now.  Once you get into the habit, it takes up very little time.  My user name over there is BigMech.

A food scale is invaluable for accurate tracking.  It's amazing how far off I can be when guesstimating.  I don't weigh everything, but I use it periodically to keep my self honest on my estimations.  I have one at home, and one in my office at work.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 13, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
I'm down 6lbs this first week of serious cutting.  It's mostly water weight I'm sure, but it's a step in right direction.  I am back under 250 post workout.  It should slow down this week, as I'm shooting for 1 to 1.5 lbs a week.   

My calorie goal is 2,800 which is a 500 calorie a day deficit, and I'm only eating back 60% of the calories I burn during cardio.  I've been close to my goal all week, so it's a good start, and I'm sticking to it!

It's amazing the difference in vascularity in my arms just from the small weight change!

I've eaten really light for breakfast and lunch today, as the wife and I are going out to dinner for our 18th wedding anniversary.  Wine will be drank and desert will be eaten.  I've got 1,700 calories left and I'm hoping not blow my calorie limit out of the water!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 13, 2014, 02:58:47 PM
Good work so far big daddy.

Also congrats on the 18 years man.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: deerslayer on September 15, 2014, 09:39:48 AM
Thanks fellers!

I'm tracking on myfitnesspal.  (Good lord, when I logged in, it said it had been 20 months since I last logged.  Wanna know how to get fat?  Stop looking at what you're eating and drinking for 20 months.  :-[ )

Anyway, they have this awesome new feature - you can upload a recipe from a website (like foodnetwork.com) or just cut and paste any recipe and it will tell you how many calories per serving.  I know it is not entirely reliable, but I think it's a great start. 

And, my food scale arrived this week.  I got it off of Amazon for only $26. 
([url]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41iB6oLyeuL._SX300_.jpg[/url])

I have the same scale and use myfitnesspal as well. It takes a while to get used to, but once you begin it will come second nature! I was really surprised at far off I was on my portions....now I just need to make myself use it again  ::)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 15, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
Happy Anniversary, BigDaddy!


Lunch was meh.  Guzzling water.  Saving cals for chicken pot pie dinner tonight.  I'll find the recipe and post it in the Nutrition section (if I haven't already), because it's made with milk and not tinned soup or heavy cream, so it's not terribly high in calories.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 16, 2014, 07:38:11 AM
And so it has begun.  Sigh.  OK, technically I'm not at my cutting calories yet, but I will be by the end of this week.  I've been turning the train around slowly, starting to count calories again and trimming them down a bit each day.  I just can't go from 3600+ calories to 1800 overnight, or someone will die.   ::)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 16, 2014, 07:41:22 AM
Welcome to the madness...
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 17, 2014, 06:58:01 AM
Welcome to the madness...

Gee thanks.  I think.   ;D

Had calories down to 2700 yesterday and my weight was back under 170 this morning, so I guess that's something.  Haven't even started to kick off some bloat, so I'll start trimming back sodium and carbs a bit as well.  Aiming for 1800-2100 daily by the end of this week.  I do better with a goal range rather than one specific number, apparently I'm a brat and don't like to feel too restricted   8)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on September 17, 2014, 10:03:27 AM
Late to the party. (have not been reading as much lately)  Although currently not 'cutting' , I am coming in to support those in the process.

Subbing for reading and support.   Props to those undertaking the journey....regardless of specific goals.

As Cmoore says...."noting tastes as good as being lean feels' :)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 17, 2014, 10:32:41 AM
As Cmoore says...."noting tastes as good as being lean feels' :)


(http://media.veryfunnypics.eu/2013/09/funny-picture-nothing-tastes-as-good-as-skinny-feels.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Fiend_73 on September 17, 2014, 10:42:58 AM
I'm in.
I've done this before too hence why I wasn't looking forward to it.


Step #1
Eliminate all restaurants except Quizno's and Subway.

Step #2
Substitute shitty food choices for better ones and remove all shitty food choices from home.

Step #3
Buy copious amounts of eggs, fibre enriched Shredded Wheat, chocolate pro powder, skim milk  (all I eat when dieting)

Step #4
Train on an empty stomach (I do not recommend this but it works for me)

Step #5
Increase cardio to 5-7x/week

Step #6
Change cardio choice from recumbant bike to elliptical


Watch the fat melt and when it stops make adjustments from there.




The least restrictive to the most restrictive.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 17, 2014, 10:51:45 AM
I'm in.
I've done this before too hence why I wasn't looking forward to it.


Step #1
Eliminate all restaurants except Quizno's and Subway.

Step #2
Substitute shitty food choices for better ones and remove all shitty food choices from home.

Step #3
Buy copious amounts of eggs, fibre enriched Shredded Wheat, chocolate pro powder, skim milk  (all I eat when dieting)

Step #4
Train on an empty stomach (I do not recommend this but it works for me)

Step #5
Increase cardio to 5-7x/week

Step #6
Change cardio choice from recumbant bike to elliptical


Watch the fat melt and when it stops make adjustments from there.




The least restrictive to the most restrictive.

#2 is a big one.  Healthy food is usually less calorie dense, so you can eat the same amount or more for fewer calories.  Because of the higher volume, you will feel satiated for longer on the same amount of calories.  Especially is the food is protein dense or has some fiber.  If you don't have the high calorie stuff in the house, it's easier to avoid it.

#4.  I've trained on an empty stomach since day 1.  I train in the early morning, and I can't eat anything for at least 1.5-2 hours before a lifting workout, so I just train first thing, and then eat afterwards.  It's always worked for me.

#5.  I'm all for cardio as you can see by my journal, but I think it's important to keep intensity up.  That whole fat burning range is bunk.  Push on cardio like you would on lifting!

#6.  Chosing a cardio exercise that can get you heart rate up and keep it up is the key for me.  That's why I run.  Nothing kicks my butt like a good run.  Road Biking is great for interval training.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 17, 2014, 10:55:02 AM
OK, I am hungry as fuck and it's only 11am.

 >:(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Fiend_73 on September 17, 2014, 11:05:38 AM
#2 is a big one.  Healthy food is usually less calorie dense, so you can eat the same amount or more for fewer calories.  Because of the higher volume, you will feel satiated for longer on the same amount of calories.  Especially is the food is protein dense or has some fiber.  If you don't have the high calorie stuff in the house, it's easier to avoid it.

#4.  I've trained on an empty stomach since day 1.  I train in the early morning, and I can't eat anything for at least 1.5-2 hours before a lifting workout, so I just train first thing, and then eat afterwards.  It's always worked for me.

#5.  I'm all for cardio as you can see by my journal, but I think it's important to keep intensity up.  That whole fat burning range is bunk.  Push on cardio like you would on lifting!

#6.  Chosing a cardio exercise that can get you heart rate up and keep it up is the key for me.  That's why I run.  Nothing kicks my butt like a good run.  Road Biking is great for interval training.

2. During my 1st prep with Dr. Layne Norton he introduced me to volume eating. Cole Slaw and chicken FTW.
My end of day "pig out meal" turned out to be 2 packages of sugar free Jello. :)
 
4. If I eat I usually wanna toss my cookies during training.

5. During the end of a prep I would actually rather do cardio than lift. That gets to be fawked up.

6. LISS < HIIT cardio but I'm not ready to do HIIT yet, the next step would be to change cardio type to something more intense but not HIIT...yet.
Running can be awesome but I quit running when I quit playing basketball.-yes I played basketball for many years
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 17, 2014, 11:06:33 AM
OK, I am hungry as fuck and it's only 11am.

 >:(

Drink some water and stop your whinning!

:)

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 17, 2014, 11:15:26 AM
3 bottles of water didn't cut it.

Having my lunch early.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 17, 2014, 11:27:51 AM
Flex's early lunch = early dinner = early to bed.  Yay! :)

Water with lemon, lime and cucumber slices is said to stave off hunger. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 17, 2014, 12:26:57 PM
Step #4
Train on an empty stomach (I do not recommend this but it works for me)

If I attempted this, my Step #5 would be picking myself up off the floor from where I had passed out.   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on September 17, 2014, 02:25:03 PM
Just throwing out another side....I dont do any cardio when I cut.   To me the additional stress is not worth it.   I can get below 10% without it and since I am not going to contest diet, I figure why put additional strain on my body.

As for appetite curbing....EC has always treated me well.   Straight-up caffeine works well too.   Now, when I am just modulating a little, I will drink a lot of coffee or espressos on days of lighter cals when the appetite kicks in.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Fiend_73 on September 17, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
Just throwing out another side....I dont do any cardio when I cut.   To me the additional stress is not worth it.   I can get below 10% without it and since I am not going to contest diet, I figure why put additional strain on my body.

As for appetite curbing....EC has always treated me well.   Straight-up caffeine works well too.   Now, when I am just modulating a little, I will drink a lot of coffee or espressos on days of lighter cals when the appetite kicks in.

I hate you.
 ;D
My body needs cardio to get rid of the fat.

I cannot use the EC stack anymore.
Not only is it banned but I can't handle that stuff anymore.
Give me the heeby jeebies just writing about it.

Step #4
Train on an empty stomach (I do not recommend this but it works for me)

If I attempted this, my Step #5 would be picking myself up off the floor from where I had passed out.   ;D

Lol, it takes some getting used to.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 18, 2014, 07:39:33 PM
179 today. First time in 10 + years...

Still look like shit , but changes coming slowly.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 18, 2014, 07:45:09 PM
Good job.

Lisa and I have been staying the course.  Neither of us has had a beer since Sunday.

I plan on being in the 250s within 10 days.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 18, 2014, 07:48:37 PM
Good job.

Lisa and I have been staying the course.  Neither of us has had a beer since Sunday.

I plan on being in the 250s within 10 days.

Well done as well flex and lisa.

But goodnite sweet local beer store
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on September 18, 2014, 07:49:38 PM
Great job everybody! 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 18, 2014, 08:51:35 PM
179 today. First time in 10 + years...

Still look like shit , but changes coming slowly.

Nice work man.  I'm still not happy with the way I look either, but it's sure as he'll better than I looked before! I'm sure it's the same for you.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 18, 2014, 08:52:45 PM
Good job.

Lisa and I have been staying the course.  Neither of us has had a beer since Sunday.

I plan on being in the 250s within 10 days.

Nice, you probably don't get as hungry if you are eating some of those beer calories rather than drinking them.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on September 18, 2014, 10:12:54 PM
Chewing ice satiated my cravings/hunger and help you stay hydrated too!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 18, 2014, 11:39:36 PM
Chewing ice satiated my cravings/hunger and help you stay hydrated too!

that's terrible for your teeth from what I've read
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on September 19, 2014, 12:11:02 AM
Chewing ice satiated my cravings/hunger and help you stay hydrated too!

that's terrible for your teeth from what I've read

The trick is to get the very soft ice they use for Sonic slushies and other drinks, the kind that looks like pellets and disintegrates easily. There's no way in hell I'd chew solid ice cubes, that's like chewing bricks!

Yes, I've thought this through too much lol
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: bobdickgus on September 19, 2014, 12:38:26 AM
Will start cutting for summer soon.
I don't count calories to get leaner I adjust my protein to fat intake ratio.
I always eat low carb which keeps me fairly decent but due to the wife I often make lower protein content meals than I prefer(not enough meat/eggs too much sauce).

Basically I will mostly continue my normal routine:

Changes:

This will lean me out quite nicely in a couple months ad lib but I have to cook extra meals for the wife which can be a pain.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 19, 2014, 08:49:30 AM
Cracked 10 lbs today.  The elation lasted all of 15 seconds before I realised how many more 10s I have to lose. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on September 19, 2014, 09:04:05 AM
Chewing ice satiated my cravings/hunger and help you stay hydrated too!


Drinking ice water all day can significantly impact weight loss over time by increasing your deficit.   It can be hard for some to drink the amount required, but even 500ml has aprox 100 cal effect.

If you drink a gallon of icewater through out the day, it essentially creates an additional 400 cal deficit.

Here is a study on the effect.   There are several others as well.   The net additional cals burned is anywhere from 200-500.  Pretty damn significant!!!!
When I am working at my computer, I always keep a cup of icewater handy in one of those insulated cups with the straw.   I will end up drinking a bunch of it without even realizing.   I am getting up every 30-40 min to refill.

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2003-030780 (http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2003-030780)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on September 19, 2014, 09:10:24 AM
If you drink a gallon of icewater through out the day, it essentially creates an additional 400 cal deficit.


This is due to the effect called cardio when you're running to the bathroom every 20 minutes, lol
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 19, 2014, 09:54:20 AM
Cracked 10 lbs today.

Congrats.  :thumbs_up:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 19, 2014, 10:10:18 AM
Cracked 10 lbs today.  The elation lasted all of 15 seconds before I realised how many more 10s I have to lose.

Way to go lisa
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: frozensparky on September 19, 2014, 10:38:09 AM
Cracked 10 lbs today.  The elation lasted all of 15 seconds before I realised how many more 10s I have to lose.

Keep the elation, you earned it! Good job Lisa, keep it going
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Fiend_73 on September 20, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
GJ Lisa!



Back in the Edmonton frontier Fiend cannot stop shitting.
Musta had some serious blockage and all this fiber up in that mutherphukker is unleashing the shit hounds of hell.
Can't get off the shitter.
3-4 rounds in the morning, another after training and God knows what else through the rest of the day.

In fact, I'm typing this waiting for another colon blast before I attempt to go to the gym...it's a loooong walk...don't know if I can clench my angus for that long...better take a cab just in case
...if I dropped a bomb walking to the gym it would be a...

shitastrophe.

I'm here all day
sitting on the throne.

 ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 20, 2014, 11:43:39 AM
Here is my Saturday cutting check in.

Down 3 lbs. this week, so 9 lbs total so far.  Kept on track pretty well with nutrition this week.  Had one day where I was over my goal by 250, but all the others were within a 100 calories.  I'm getting some good vascularity and definition in my arms.  I was also able to tighten my weight belt up a notch this week.

Keep on truckin'!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 20, 2014, 11:48:02 AM
263 this morning.  Down 9 lbs.

And that is after a mess of beers last night and a massive bowl of pasta.   8)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on September 22, 2014, 07:22:53 AM
263 this morning.  Down 9 lbs.

And that is after a mess of beers last night and a massive bowl of pasta.   8)

Good job. I won't tell you all about the amazing cheese steak I had for dinner on Friday, or the amazing burger I had for dinner last night. Nope, I'm not gonna do that.  ;D

Great job to eveyone here doing their thing. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 22, 2014, 08:33:08 PM
Congrats all, you're doing great!

Been cutting back on calories for about 10 days now, finally down to my diet numbers and first 6 pounds are gone.  It gets harder from here on out  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 22, 2014, 08:36:46 PM
I was a bad boy this weekend and drank way too much beer.

I'm nmot weighing myself until Wednesday at least.... :-[
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 22, 2014, 08:48:17 PM
I was a bad boy this weekend and drank way too much beer.

I'm nmot weighing myself until Wednesday at least.... :-[

Lol. Thursdays for weigh ins , i think for me mostly.

Lately , the day after my training days i have unbearable hungers.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 23, 2014, 07:36:07 AM
Lots of pounds being dropped in here - good work everyone!

Yesterday was the toughest day so far.  I was bloody hungry.  I managed to hang in there with decaf tea, but Lord, I didn't think our dinner hour was ever going to come!

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 25, 2014, 01:17:43 PM
So I seem to be stabilizing at losing about 0.3 lbs /day, which would be great since that would be about 2 lbs a week. We'll see how long it lasts!

And on a lifting related note, I got told off by the manager of my Golds for making noise with deadlifts.  FML.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 25, 2014, 01:22:02 PM
I got told off by the manager of my Golds for making noise with deadlifts.  FML.


That's brutal; bad enough to have that happen at some type of fitness place, but Gold's???   

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Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 25, 2014, 02:13:04 PM
That's brutal; bad enough to have that happen at some type of fitness place, but Gold's???   

Yeah, seriously.  Really not happy.  So I guess I can still deadlift there if I put the bar down as noiselessly as possible???  There's no platform or bumper plates, so honestly there's going to be some kind of noise made no matter what I do. 

And in other news, I'm shopping for a new gym again.  ::)  There's a powerhouse gym across town, but it's going to be about a 45 minute drive, which is why I wasn't going there in the first place.  I guess I'll take a trip over and see if it's worth the drive.

Or there's the home gym idea...
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 25, 2014, 02:28:12 PM
I've known one of the owners of my gym for 20+ years.  Not friends, but we worked together way bakc when and he went to my highschool.

He pulled that shit on me once with the rubber matts under the plates while deadlifting and since then I've been like "fuck that shit".

He made a point of telling me that he 'gives me a break' since we know each other and he knows I compete.

I was like "thanks" but in my head I was like "You own a gym, not a library; suck it up."

ANd if he ever says anything to me again I'm gonna ask him how deadlifting is any more annoying than the fucking medicine ball slams all his PTs teach everyone.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 25, 2014, 02:36:58 PM
Yeah, I really don't get it.  If I were standing there and dropping the bar from waist height (which I sure as hell am not), he'd have a point.  But making noises at a gym like I'm working out because I actually am at a gym working out, why should this ever be a problem.  Nope, I just don't get it.

The trend towards bunny hugging and hand holding at commercial gyms is getting kind of frightening.  Let's not lift weights, let's all just have a group hug because it's quieter.  I'm seriously running out of gyms to try around here!  Either they don't allow deadlifting at all, they don't have the equipment that I need (bench, rack, barbell... I'm not that fussy), or I guess they're going to complain if I use the equipment that they do have.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 25, 2014, 02:43:23 PM
Maybe they need to get some bumper plates.  The gym I'm at finally got a full set this year, and they make a huge difference in how loud my dead lifting is.

I'm lucky at the place I'm at now, I've never gotten any flak for make noise or anything.  It's not a hardcore lifting gym by any stretch of the imagination, but they have decent equipment, and have no problem with people actually lifting.  It's not a chain place, so that my make the difference.

I worked out at a Golds about 15 years ago for a year or so, and it was a very strange place, even then.  Most of the people there were very "clicky" and standoff-ish. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 25, 2014, 02:56:35 PM
Maybe they need to get some bumper plates.  The gym I'm at finally got a full set this year, and they make a huge difference in how loud my dead lifting is.

I wish they would!  Not going to hold my breath though, it's definitely not a hardcore Golds and their preferences clearly lie with their TRX / group class / Les Mills bodypump stuff.

I seriously miss my old gym, it was a locally owned chain.  Last year it was bought out by a national chain and then shut down.  But they didn't have any issues with deadlifts or anything, really.  I've been trying to replace them with something comparable ever since.  Guess I'm not there yet.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 25, 2014, 02:59:29 PM
I remember when Gold's Gym (at least here anyway) was hardcore and if anyone complained about positively anything they'd get laughed out of the place.

TRX and no deadlifting in Gold's?  WTF is going on in this society???
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 25, 2014, 03:05:10 PM
TRX and no deadlifting in Gold's?  WTF is going on in this society???

No no, quiet deadlifting is OK   ;)

(Although I did like the part where he told me I was shaking the whole building.  I'm thinking WTF I'm only warming up right now, what is your stupid building made out of?  Pixie stix and unicorn snot?)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on September 25, 2014, 03:10:54 PM
TRX and no deadlifting in Gold's?  WTF is going on in this society???


The success of PF's business model.   I have the same problem at my Golds
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on September 25, 2014, 04:06:35 PM
This is what led me to build my platform at home and eventually add the power rack.  My gym is a Gold's too. 

I remember back in the good old days at World's Gym there was a room just for the powerlifters where they could do whatever the fuck they wanted.  There were holes in the wall and the door never worked from being slammed too many times.  They had a big sign over the door saying you had to be invited into the room so a lot of people got chased out if they wandered in.   That's how the door got broken.  Just before they were busted (the rumor was it was steroids) I was finally invited into the room.  I still miss that place.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on September 25, 2014, 04:19:22 PM
quiet deadlifting is OK   ;)

Dafuq is "quiet" deadlifting???  :S
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on September 25, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
quiet deadlifting is OK   ;)

Dafuq is "quiet" deadlifting???  :S
A REAL F'IN BACK KILLER!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 25, 2014, 04:30:21 PM
Pretty sad to hear what a common problem this kind of thing is.  Maybe I should just give up and Zumba.

Not.

Dafuq is "quiet" deadlifting???  :S

Not sure, but apparently I don't know how to do it  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on September 25, 2014, 04:36:56 PM
One of the Anytime Fitness places I have been to in Madison is located in an apartment building complex with businesses on the 1st floor and all the apartments above. There is also a pizza place and a coupleother small shops, this was a new develpment and the gym was one of the 1st tenants. Anyways there has been complaints from the people living above about the noise from the gym so they have signs all over to be quiet.......fuck that! The gym was there 1st and they knew it before they agreed to move into the place, and now they want to bitch about a little noise at times?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 26, 2014, 09:20:02 AM
It's been a long week and a true test of my willpower.

Weighed myself yesterday and I was up about 3 lbs.  What???  Grrr....

But I didn't give up.  I told myself these fluctuations happen.  Hoping to see a better number on the scale tomorrow.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 26, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
Yep; 265 this morning.  FML.

Was hoping to be in the 250's by next week.  Don't see that happening.

Chicken wings and beer tonight.   :D  8)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 26, 2014, 10:13:54 AM
Fluctuations definitely happen, and all the easy losses at the start are gone....  I've been up a lb or 2 all week, but I just got stick with the program.  I've always lost weight in little fits and starts.  I'll be up or level for 5-7 days and suddenly drop 2-3 lbs overnight. 

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 26, 2014, 10:22:23 AM
^^^  Yep. Same here.

Staying the course. Might add in some cardio next week though.   :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 26, 2014, 10:25:10 AM
^^^  Yep. Same here.

Staying the course. Might add in some cardio next week though.   :o


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Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 26, 2014, 10:32:17 AM
^^^  Yep. Same here.

Staying the course. Might add in some cardio next week though.   :o

You bought an exercise bike last year right?  Time to bust it out again!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on September 26, 2014, 10:43:54 AM
^^^  Yep. Same here.

Staying the course. Might add in some cardio next week though.   :o


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Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 26, 2014, 10:50:55 AM
^^^  Yep. Same here.

Staying the course. Might add in some cardio next week though.   :o

You bought an exercise bike last year right?  Time to bust it out again!

I think it was 2 years ago, but yep! Time to dust it off.  I think my kids used it as a beverage holder.  Noticed a pepsi can in the water bottle holder and I don't drink pepsi.   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 26, 2014, 11:27:50 AM
FLEX+Cardio= does not compute. LOL!

Thought this was your style of cardio FLEX!

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Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 26, 2014, 11:33:01 AM
LMAO  ^^^

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Fiend_73 on September 26, 2014, 11:39:45 AM
How often are you stepping on the scale?   (open question to all)


I hate the scale, moves too much.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 26, 2014, 12:14:16 PM
I try not to every day, but pretty close to every day.   :-[
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Fiend_73 on September 26, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
I try not to every day, but pretty close to every day.   :-[


Once a week under the same time and same conditions (aka after taking ur morning shit) prevents the mind phuck.
Any more and its a tarp.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 26, 2014, 12:50:45 PM
Currently every day, but I think I should probably move it to once a week.  Yeah, I hate the daily fluctuations, too. 

One of my problems... because I'm an idiot... is when I see the scale go up, it's kind of like well, as long as I'm already screwed I might as well go eat an entire cow and the contents of an ice cream truck today.

Like I said, I'm an idiot.   ::)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 26, 2014, 02:37:04 PM
How often are you stepping on the scale?   (open question to all)

I hate the scale, moves too much.

I weigh everyday, but I don't let the fluctuations bother me.  I know it's about long term trends.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 26, 2014, 09:55:11 PM
Kinda felt dead all week, especially during my lifts.

Tonight was a burger and beer nite, so hoping extra cals renew my strength.

Fuk me , i have a long way to go.


Still at it,

Your pal

Djflex
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 27, 2014, 01:37:07 PM
The honeymoon is over... :(  I jumped up 2-3 lbs in the middle of the week, but was back to 245lbs this morning, which is where I was last Saturday.  I guess the easy losses are done. 

I'll stick with the plan and keep eating at 2,800 + 60% of my cardio calories and see what happens this week.  I thought I did well tracking calories this week, and was close to goal every day, but I will have make sure I'm being accurate. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 27, 2014, 01:46:49 PM
Kinda felt dead all week, especially during my lifts.

Tonight was a burger and beer nite, so hoping extra cals renew my strength.

Fuk me , i have a long way to go.


Still at it,

Your pal

Djflex

Ok felt a little better this morning. Trained with something in my belly as well.

As many have akready done, the time for adding cardio is upon me. Will see, maybe monday
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 27, 2014, 01:54:17 PM
Cardio  :o

I know I'll need to add it at some point, but I'm putting it off as long as possible.  I can start jogging when I need to, but frankly if I start at this weight all I'll get is shin splints and sore joints.  So hopefully I can put that off for another 10 lbs or so.  Actually, I am boxing a couple of times a week, but I'm not really counting that because it's not boring enough to be considered cardio.   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on September 27, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
Cardio  :o

I know I'll need to add it at some point, but I'm putting it off as long as possible.  I can start jogging when I need to, but frankly if I start at this weight all I'll get is shin splints and sore joints.  So hopefully I can put that off for another 10 lbs or so.  Actually, I am boxing a couple of times a week, but I'm not really counting that because it's not boring enough to be considered cardio.   ;D

Complete broscience here , but i believe you should only add cardio when you are hitting the wall or gretly slowing down in weight loss.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 27, 2014, 02:03:07 PM
Cardio  :o

I know I'll need to add it at some point, but I'm putting it off as long as possible.  I can start jogging when I need to, but frankly if I start at this weight all I'll get is shin splints and sore joints.  So hopefully I can put that off for another 10 lbs or so.  Actually, I am boxing a couple of times a week, but I'm not really counting that because it's not boring enough to be considered cardio.   ;D

Complete broscience here , but i believe you should only add cardio when you are hitting the wall or gretly slowing down in weight loss.

I agree, that's how I've used it before and it seems to do the trick.  And as an added bonus, I hate jogging so much that I'm pissed off the entire time I jog and it kills my appetite for hours after lol.  But I won't touch it until I feel like it's needed.  If I'm really lucky, that time will be never.   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 27, 2014, 02:39:34 PM
I'm not sure why you folks hate cardio so much.  It's a tool, just like anything else you do at the gym.  It's got the added benefit of increasing your aerobic capacity and endurance.

It all depends on your goals whether its an approriate tool or not.  I don't think cardio works against strength training, in fact I think it's benefited me.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 27, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
I don't hate it really.  I just refuse to do it in the gym.

I am barely hanging onto being under 265.  WTF?

Hungry all the time.  Dropped beer mid-week for 2 whole weeks.

FML
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: ljimd on September 27, 2014, 04:05:34 PM
Trying something a little different this mini cut. Cranking fat to 50%+, low low carb.

Not tonight though, the beer is tasting good and I deserve it.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 27, 2014, 04:36:29 PM
Been doing low carb during the week too. Hence cutting out the beers.

Not tonight though.  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: LisaSkinnoble on September 27, 2014, 08:58:15 PM
I'm not sure why you folks hate cardio so much.  It's a tool, just like anything else you do at the gym.  It's got the added benefit of increasing your aerobic capacity and endurance.

It all depends on your goals whether its an approriate tool or not.  I don't think cardio works against strength training, in fact I think it's benefited me.

I do cardio and I think it is beneficial for my auld ex-smoker heart and lungs.  And my joints.  It's boring in the gym, way more fun outdoors, but I force myself to do it.  I look on the bright side - half an hour or so to myself with my own thoughts and my own tunes. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Little Tim on September 28, 2014, 12:16:26 PM
Officially in on the official IS cutting thread. Was hovering around 222# the last few days of last week.  Party's over, time to get shit done.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on September 29, 2014, 09:18:03 AM
Got back on my cardio last Friday. Ran a mile and a half. Sucking air first half mile but got my breathing under control. I enjoy it this time of the year when the gym is not so hot. Will be trying to get cardio in after I get off work in the afternoons a few days a week if possible. Will do my lifts during my daytime gym sessions.

Think I will enjoy outdoor runs instead of on the treader.

Possibly going to enter a 5k. Usually a good bit of them around here during the fall months.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 29, 2014, 03:52:39 PM
I'm not sure why you folks hate cardio so much. 

I hate cardio, I admit it.  I think it's because when I started I was at a women's gym, and all the cardio equipment was facing TVs that were always playing "Keeping Up with the Kardashians".  Seriously, I'm scarred for life.

And on a happier note, I've lost enough weight to be able to do wide grip pull ups again!  I missed doing those, I was just too darn fluffy for the last month or so  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on September 29, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
, I was just too darn fluffy for the last month or so  ;D

I am still way too fluffy for pullups.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: ljimd on September 29, 2014, 03:58:48 PM
Sat - 62gr carbs
Sun - 44gr carbs
Mon- so far today 10gr carbs

Oh shit   
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 29, 2014, 05:34:09 PM
, I was just too darn fluffy for the last month or so  ;D

I am still way too fluffy for pullups.

I can do chinups, but not wide grip pullups.   They are probably another 10-15 lbs away from where I am now.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on September 29, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
Sat - 62gr carbs
Sun - 44gr carbs
Mon- so far today 10gr carbs

Oh shit

10gr of carbs..  Damn, I'm at 276, and I haven't eaten dinner yet!!!! 

Are you shooting for Keto, or just not eating enough carbs?

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on September 29, 2014, 05:42:15 PM
I can do chinups, but not wide grip pullups.   They are probably another 10-15 lbs away from where I am now.

The mystery was why I could do three wide grip today at ~164 bodyweight, but couldn't do any just a few days ago and a little bit heavier.  LOL.  I was able to do a couple of chin ups at my top weight of 172, which I guess is something in itself.  Pull ups at that weight were just, hmmmm, failure to launch.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on October 04, 2014, 02:29:22 PM
Down a pound from last week to 244 this morning.  So 10lbs total in 4 weeks. 

I was also able to tighten my weight belt another notch this morning, only 2 from running out of holes on the belt  :o

I tried a wide-grip pullup this morning, and got damn close.  From a dead hang, I got my eyes about level with the bar.  Just need a little bit more.  I've never been able to do a wide-grip pullup in my entire life!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on October 05, 2014, 04:33:45 PM
Nice work big daddy
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: deerslayer on October 11, 2014, 11:14:49 AM
Sorry for the delay, weighed in this morning at 1030 @ 201lb
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on October 11, 2014, 11:43:02 AM
Well this thread has certainly slowed down....

Weighed in this morning at 243, so down a lb this week for a total of 11 so far.

Saw some great definition in my shoulders while doing my overhead presses today, progress is definitely being made.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on October 11, 2014, 11:58:21 AM
I'll weigh myself later but I don't think I've dropped an ounce...
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Little Tim on October 11, 2014, 04:44:49 PM
Holding steady at 217#, so that's an initial drop of 5#, pretty much the normal for anytime I change things up. Now the slow whittling down begins.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on October 11, 2014, 04:50:23 PM
I'll weigh myself later but I don't think I've dropped an ounce...

265

Holy fuck.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on October 11, 2014, 05:00:40 PM
I'll weigh myself later but I don't think I've dropped an ounce...

265

Holy fuck.
I gain and lose about 5+ lbs throughout every day.  You'll likely be under 260 first thing tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: ljimd on October 11, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Had a large piece of pumpkin roll/cheese cake and 3 large glasses of wine today.

I'm not worthy.........................
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on October 11, 2014, 05:24:30 PM
Had a large piece of pumpkin roll/cheese cake and 3 large glasses of wine today.

I'm not worthy.........................

Lol....

Broke down and weighed myself today. Up one lb , which is no big deal. But clearly i need to refocus
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: deerslayer on October 11, 2014, 05:47:36 PM
Will probably gain 3 lbs tonight while at my cousins wedding! Free beer........ Fuck me
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on October 11, 2014, 07:00:23 PM
Will probably gain 3 lbs tonight while at my cousins wedding! Free beer........ Fuck me

Beer is a liquid. Liquids cannot hold calories.

You'll be fine, drink up!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on October 11, 2014, 07:08:36 PM
Will probably gain 3 lbs tonight while at my cousins wedding! Free beer........ Fuck me
Good problem to have.   ::)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on October 11, 2014, 11:38:38 PM
Had a bit too much stress last week and ate too much as a result.  Ugh, I'm such a stress eater.  However, pulled it back down into controllable territory after just two days of damage and have been holding at maintenance this week while I get my head straight.  Shouldn't really be much harm done, but I'm not going to weigh myself until I'm sure I'm lower than I was before my slip-up.  I don't want added stress from the damned scale  ::)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Philosopherking on October 12, 2014, 12:30:27 AM
I'm in on this thread.   Weight yesterday was 254.   Weight in May- 254 So at least I haven't been gaining too much since then.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on October 18, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
Weighed in this morning at 240lbs, so that's 3lbs gone this week, and 14 lbs total so far.  I had a big drop between Monday and Tuesday, and slowly lost another 1lb the rest of the week.  I always lose weight in fits and starts like this.

Upper body definition has really started coming in, and all of my pants and shorts are getting loose, so I know the weight is coming off in the right places.

Strength is good as I'm still making progress on my lifts and having good workouts.

I looked back through my journal's and it's been about 18 months since I've been at 240lbs, and I'm carrying more muscle now that I was then.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: deerslayer on October 21, 2014, 06:35:21 AM
weighed in at 203 Friday morning on an empty stomach........will see what happens this week. Not as concerned about the actual scale because I notice a visual difference already
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on October 27, 2014, 10:54:27 AM
Forgot to check in on Saturday.

This was a funky week.  I got my flu shoot on Wednesday morning, and when I weighed myself on Thursday morning I was up 6 friggin' lbs.  What the hell!

Anyways.  I was 242 Saturday morning, so up 2 from last week, but still down one from the week before that.   

I've been getting a little sloppy with the diet, need to tighten it up!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on October 27, 2014, 11:19:01 AM
Didn't eat much last week while I was away in Dallas, but had quite a few beers every night out of sheer boredom.

Holding steady at 265.

This cut is gonna take forever at this rate.  :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on October 27, 2014, 03:01:03 PM
My theory of staying off the scale is working so well, I'm just going to continue to stay the heck away from it.  However, judging by the way my pants fit, my weightlifting belt fits, and the number of pull ups I can do, I should be somewhere below 163 right about now.  LOL.  I bought a ton of halloween candy today to make up bags for the kiddos at the food cupboard, and am not evenly remotely tempted by any of it.  So that's good!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: deerslayer on October 28, 2014, 11:37:59 AM
Gonna try and check the scale again this thur. morning about 330, we are leaving for a trip and wont be able to hit the gym till mon. night.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Little Tim on October 28, 2014, 10:02:41 PM

Holding steady at 265.

This cut is gonna take forever at this rate.  :o

So much of this right now.  Usually fluctuate 3-4# between daily am weight ins. But it's been within 1.5 pounds for the past week. 

Hopeful that this holds true to my past experience that a big drop is in the immediate future if I stay the course. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on November 01, 2014, 12:01:38 PM
Back down to 240lbs today ( and yesterday as well ).  I've been keep tighter control on the diet and am back to making progress in the right direction.  Muscle definition and vascularity are really coming along.  I was seeing some great striations in my shoulders during the workout today.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Little Tim on November 02, 2014, 08:46:04 AM

Holding steady at 265.

This cut is gonna take forever at this rate.  :o

So much of this right now.  Usually fluctuate 3-4# between daily am weight ins. But it's been within 1.5 pounds for the past week. 

Hopeful that this holds true to my past experience that a big drop is in the immediate future if I stay the course.

Not a big drop,  but down 2# past 2 days. Nutrition has been extra consistent the past 3 weeks.  Kinda discouraging to not see a bigger change in bodyweight,  but it's going in the right direction.  Keep things dialed in and my goal of an even 200 at new years is still a achievable and realistic goal. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on November 02, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
At work on our calibrated scales I have been hovering between #249-250 but at the gym it's always #243-245, and that's wearing the same shoes and even my MP3 player. Doubt my jeans have a #5 difference compared to my gym shorts.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on November 21, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
3 weeks later I'm back down to 240 after a little trip up to 246 after I took my fall.

I've bounced off 240 like a brick wall the last 2 times I've gotten here.  I really need to knuckle down and push through!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on November 21, 2014, 01:27:56 PM
Just dropping in to offer support!

The holidays can be tough.   But as Cmoore says.....nothing tastes as good as lean feels ;)

But if you screw up....get over it and jump right back on track.  There will be little difference from a blown day.  DONT let it be an excuse to derail you in a big way.


Stay strong Guys (and gals ;) )
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on December 04, 2014, 09:19:46 AM
259 this morning...   :o

Slowest cut in history.  LMAO

But still I think it's been almost 2 years since I was below 260.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on December 04, 2014, 10:36:17 AM
I'll officially be joining this thread on Sunday.  The March 2015 goal is to be walking around at 230lbs, and not lose any strength.   This morning, I was 246lbs.

The Final goal is to be in the 220 class by October 2015, and total close to a 1600lb total.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: deerslayer on December 04, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
With my two week lay off, and the fact I drank plenty of beer during hunting season and our thanksgiving trip I am actually up @206 as of last night :S not surprised, but unhappy....will try harder and see where things are at come the end of the month
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on December 04, 2014, 02:25:29 PM
Bounced off 240 again...  >:(

Was 242 yesterday after bouncing from 240 to 246 in 2 days..... 

What the heck do I need to do to get past this!!!!!

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on December 04, 2014, 07:16:36 PM
Bounced off 240 again...  >:(

Was 242 yesterday after bouncing from 240 to 246 in 2 days..... 

What the heck do I need to do to get past this!!!!!

cut karbs a little more and up teh pr0tonz
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: paqua17 on December 05, 2014, 12:33:50 AM
Bounced off 240 again...  >:(

Was 242 yesterday after bouncing from 240 to 246 in 2 days..... 

What the heck do I need to do to get past this!!!!!

I recommend not weighing yourself everyday or 2 to gauge results ;)  There are too many short-term factors that could result in daily gains/losses.  Perhaps you had more sodium than you normally would and are retaining more water.

If you feel you're where your calories should be to lose weight then weigh yourself each week and see if you are, in fact, losing weight.  If you are not then cut your calories a bit more and keep gauging results.  Unless you have been through a few cuts to know your body it is hard to get over humps.

In my case I'm comfortable gaining weight and then dropping but only to around 15% body fat.  At that point mentally I feel lean enough and then given in to cheat snacks expecting myself to eat properly the next day (which never comes!)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on December 05, 2014, 10:13:58 AM
Bounced off 240 again...  >:(

Was 242 yesterday after bouncing from 240 to 246 in 2 days..... 

What the heck do I need to do to get past this!!!!!

I recommend not weighing yourself everyday or 2 to gauge results ;)  There are too many short-term factors that could result in daily gains/losses.  Perhaps you had more sodium than you normally would and are retaining more water.

If you feel you're where your calories should be to lose weight then weigh yourself each week and see if you are, in fact, losing weight.  If you are not then cut your calories a bit more and keep gauging results.  Unless you have been through a few cuts to know your body it is hard to get over humps.

In my case I'm comfortable gaining weight and then dropping but only to around 15% body fat.  At that point mentally I feel lean enough and then given in to cheat snacks expecting myself to eat properly the next day (which never comes!)

I weigh myself every day, but I don't change anything based on the day to day changes.  I look at the longer term trends. 

I think I just need to tighten up my calorie tracking more, too many meals that I just winged it on calorie content, or didn't even track.  I've been through several cuts, but I'm about as lean as I've ever been right now, and it's getting tougher.  I need to get serious about the calorie tracking again and just get this done!

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on December 13, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
Good news, I'm now fatter than I've been in three years!  Wait, that wasn't good news.  Oh well.  It's been crazy with work and helping my mom while she's been dealing with health issues, and have had a lot of sleepless nights.  Something about not paying attention to diet, eating 24 hours around the clock some days and not getting into the gym as often as I'd like hasn't helped lol.  But on the plus side I've been tracking measurements and have added some lean mass as well.  So I'm officially calling it an accidental bulk and I'll start cutting back when life calms down again in the coming weeks.

At least, I hope it calms down   ::)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on December 13, 2014, 10:45:01 AM
I hope your Mom is alright, K.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on December 13, 2014, 11:31:21 AM
Sorry to hear about your mother.  Hope that she gets better soon.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on December 13, 2014, 11:32:17 AM
WooHoo!

Finally broke through 240.  Weighed in at 238 today.  Just needed to crack down on the diet and stick with the exercise plan.

Onward and Downward!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on December 15, 2014, 09:43:42 AM
Started my official Cut yesterday.  Starting weight, 246.2lbs. 

Tracking Macros, and eating 2650 calories a day.  Going to slowly work my bodyfat down to where I can walk around at 225-230.  or until my strength drops off.

Picked up a heart rate monitor, and a fitness tracker.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on December 15, 2014, 10:27:04 AM
Started my official Cut yesterday.  Starting weight, 246.2lbs. 

Tracking Macros, and eating 2650 calories a day.  Going to slowly work my bodyfat down to where I can walk around at 225-230.  or until my strength drops off.

Picked up a heart rate monitor, and a fitness tracker.

Best of luck bro
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Stile on December 15, 2014, 03:56:06 PM
Tracking macros. You have my sympathies. Tried it once. Blows.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on December 15, 2014, 04:38:26 PM
Tracking macros. You have my sympathies. Tried it once. Blows.

I've been doing it for years now.  With a decent app on the phone/computer it's pretty painless.  Takes less than 5 minutes out of my day most of the time.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on December 19, 2014, 11:04:37 AM
Finally seeing some movement on the scale.

256 this morning!

 ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on December 19, 2014, 11:25:34 AM
Finally seeing some movement on the scale.

256 this morning!

 ;D

Nice dude, must be the new job....

:)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on December 19, 2014, 12:23:34 PM
Finally seeing some movement on the scale.

256 this morning!

 ;D

Nice dude, must be the new job....

:)

Yea, no time to snack on the short commute.  :jester:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on December 21, 2014, 01:03:11 PM


Nice dude, must be the new job....

:)

Yea, no time to snack on the short commute.  :jester:

As if I would ever eat in my car!   :no:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on December 21, 2014, 01:48:41 PM


Nice dude, must be the new job....

:)

Yea, no time to snack on the short commute.  :jester:

As if I would ever eat in my car!   :no:

I've never drank water in my car, let alone eaten haha
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on December 21, 2014, 05:14:20 PM
I have 2 lifting belts: my Inzer Lever 10mm that I use for squats and I have a cheaper 9mm dual prong belt that I prefer for deadlifts.

At my competition in August I could not put it on.  Today I was 2 holes in.  :)

Also had to tighten my belt on my jeans and extra notch yesterday.  :D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on December 21, 2014, 09:56:55 PM
Down 6lbs. 240.8 this morning.

Feeling good.  Strength has not dropped, and I'm actually more awake and sleeping better now that the food is tuned up.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on December 22, 2014, 07:05:57 AM


Nice dude, must be the new job....

:)

Yea, no time to snack on the short commute.  :jester:

As if I would ever eat in my car!   :no:

Haha.. I suppose that's a good point.

So, when are you ordering the new one?  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on December 22, 2014, 08:12:14 AM
So, when are you ordering the new one?  ;D

ASAP

The SRT's are not available yet.   >:(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on December 22, 2014, 09:24:23 AM
So, when are you ordering the new one?  ;D

ASAP

The SRT's are not available yet.   >:(

WTF?? That's just messed up.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on December 22, 2014, 09:54:16 AM
/Car talk
/end.

Unless that's Flex's new style of Cutting.  Spend more time in the car, can't eat in the car, will lose weight.

Anyways... Tracking Macro's is going good.  Surprisingly easy once you get the hang of it.  Weighed in at 240.0 this morning.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Fiend_73 on December 22, 2014, 10:49:54 AM
PL'ers on a roll ITT, congrats guys!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on December 22, 2014, 03:28:46 PM
I asked for an electronic scale for my upcoming birthday.
Jan 5th is getting closer.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on December 22, 2014, 04:14:47 PM
I asked for an electronic scale for my upcoming birthday.
Jan 5th is getting closer.

I strongly suggest getting an analog scale over a digital one.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on December 22, 2014, 04:35:12 PM
I asked for an electronic scale for my upcoming birthday.
Jan 5th is getting closer.

I strongly suggest getting an analog scale over a digital one.

Like with weights? Why?
As an fyi, if I need to double check accuracy I can borrow NIST weights from work.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on December 22, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
Not a balance one, but not a digital one.

I had a digital one and it would weigh me the exact same amount to 1/10th of a pound for weeks on end.  Impossible.

I think it remembered the last weight and kept using that.

So I just got a good quality one with a dial.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on December 22, 2014, 08:14:39 PM
Not a balance one, but not a digital one.

I had a digital one and it would weigh me the exact same amount to 1/10th of a pound for weeks on end.  Impossible.

I think it remembered the last weight and kept using that.

So I just got a good quality one with a dial.

Ah, but might not have a choice as my wife might have already bought on for me since my b-day is in 7 days.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 04, 2015, 10:58:58 AM
I'm in on this now.  I bloated up to 187.2 this morning from 162.2 in August doing a filthy bulk.  A few days last week I was over 190 and I've been wearing some of my "fat" jeans again.

I'm going to start out with 2,000 calories a day for two weeks then access where I need to be.  This cut I'm not going full low carb.  I think when I did that last time it hurt my lifting too much.  My macros will be 125g carb, 89g, fat, 175g protein for the 2,000 calorie total. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 04, 2015, 12:18:29 PM
I can finally participate in this thread more than just moral support.   I am ALL IN!

Peaked at 227.   Started diet wed.   No tracking.   Just focusing on dialing back fats and carbs.   Water is dropping off like crazy.  (I was eating very sloppy at the end of my surplus)  Will wait till wed to weigh in.   

Breakfast 

4 egg whites
1 piece of toast with tiny amt of smart balance on it.
1 tsp chunky PB
8oz milk with 1 scoop unflavored whey

Pro aprox 50g...other marcos..... A HELL OF A LOT LOWER THAN USUAL ;)   This is the shot gun approach ;)  I can guesstimate that just in breakfast, I am cutting 250-300cal.   I was eating 2tbs of PB which is 130 cal.   Current savings by just eating 1tsp is 110cals just in PB.   
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 04, 2015, 03:48:14 PM
Why just the egg whites?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 04, 2015, 04:18:17 PM
I try to keep my fat grams 50 or less when cutting.   It leaves me more room for carbs.   Not a great thing for extended periods and below what others may recommend, but it works for me.  I know many bodybuilders that follow the same scheme.

Plus.....I have eaten only the whites for so long (a habit I developed in my 20's) now that is the taste I crave.   Really the eggs are all about experiencing the 'feel' of eating something.   Density wise, eggs are not a real dense protein source.  I almost never eat them on a surplus.....I just cant get enough in and leave room for other things. 

I am getting my main protein from whey, and just back off the amount the eggs supply.   
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 04, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
Whatever works for you, run with it! I personally eat the entire egg, and whites aren't really "eggs" to me lol. I'd probably leave a yolk or two in, but remove the rest.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 04, 2015, 10:13:37 PM
Tomorrow begins my cut.
5 lbs chicken breast grilled up and ready for lunches. Now I just gotta pick some sides and....<shutter> vegetables (blech)
Shooting for 2200 cals. Will try for a bit and see how I feel.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on January 05, 2015, 08:35:59 AM
Cut begins today, my lifting partner and I are competing against each other for 12 weeks and the loser buys the winner lunch.  Starting weight 233.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 05, 2015, 08:49:13 AM
Could not wait.  First weigh in 6 days in.  Down 10   lbs.  216.    Diet was so carb heavy last few weeks.  Was expecting the big drop.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: tobymax on January 05, 2015, 11:26:22 AM
I'm in.  I like the rules for this thread in post #1.

I checked in at a lifetime high of 171.3 first thing this morning, after a pee and a poo, before eating anything.  Have only worked out once since December 5, which is my first lengthy break in at least 4 years.  I'll be in the gym this afternoon.  I have a cardio appointment this Friday for a stress test and dye test to check out the the ol' ticker.

Breakfast today:  6 oz. Greek Yogurt and an apple.
Snack: Pure Protein bar (21g whey, 180 calories)
Lunch will be 8 oz. of homemade turkey & beef chili.
Post-workout shake, 40g whey protein.
Dinner will be homemade chicken enchiladas (no chips!).
Still debating whether to eliminate my nightly 20 oz. of milk with my meal.  If I properly counted macros and calories I would know better what to do.

Don't worry, I won't post all of my food; I know that's useless information.  I'm going to peruse through this whole thread and see how y'all are doing.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 05, 2015, 12:34:05 PM
Guess who is back on that cutting train starting today!!! Oh the joys of cutting!


The holidays were good to my muffin tops and my ass!!! LOL!


Entered challenge on bb.com so going to see how I do. Probably no chance in hell of winning but you can't win if you don't enter and do your best! Bring it!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Little Tim on January 05, 2015, 01:18:32 PM
Ditto Nuh. Back on this dance.

Last year I entered the bb.com contest and made too many drastic cuts and changes, made myself weak and got a hell of a flu two weeks into it. By February I had no appreciable progress and my first run at SL 5x5 was getting tougher to where a caloric deficit wasn't wise.

Live and learn.

This year I started my 3rd run of a now modified SL 5x5  (Timlift's 4x6x8,  patent pending) that'll escalate more slowly,  probably becoming real challenging by the end of February or mid March.  I'm adding in a very minimal amount of cardio, 10 minutes of target heart rate every day.  Nutrition will be hitting protein goals and keeping total calories in check.

Short term goals :
-Weekly adherence to nutritional goals
-Daily cardio and stretching
-Work the program

Midterm goals
-Body weight of 210 by end of February
-Reach/progress beyond previous strength numbers by end of March
-Have continuance success in nutrition adherence tweaking as needed.

Long term goals
-Body weight of <200# by July
-Exceed strength numbers through resets on the program.  Milk it out for all I can.
-Evaluate and repeat. Set new goals and follow through.

Will focus my progress notations in my training journal,  but wanted to throw this out on this thread to add more accountability.

As redgreen says, "We're all in this together."
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 05, 2015, 01:33:29 PM



Entered challenge on bb.com so going to see how I do. Probably no chance in hell of winning but you can't win if you don't enter and do your best! Bring it!

Thought about it, but I dont want any outside influences on the direction I am taking.  I would have been in a real good spot as I could have taken a GREAT 'before' pic with big distend stomach and no abs.   In less than a week , 10lbs is off and I am back to full abs.    I also dont want to 'rush' my weight loss.   I am going to just let it happen. 

I dont know....as much as I would like to 'win' something, I dont really want the attention.   I dont want the bs that comes along with it.   I just want to do my thing.   I know that may seem strange coming from me....but it is true.   

When I was first coming back, I was so excited to make progress that I wanted to 'shout it from the rooftops.'   Now I am much more low-key about it all.   BB.com is not what it used to be for me.   I still post there, but I feel like most of what I have to say falls on deaf ears....so I stop offering as much.


Not poo pooing your entry......if it fit my goals and provided motivation I would do it.   Just for me, I think it would be counterproductive.    Is your goal just weight loss?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 05, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Guess who is back on that cutting train starting today!!! Oh the joys of cutting!


The holidays were good to my muffin tops and my ass!!! LOL!


Entered challenge on bb.com so going to see how I do. Probably no chance in hell of winning but you can't win if you don't enter and do your best! Bring it!

ditto. Now I need to post up the before pics.
Time to trim the body fat and hold onto what muscle I have.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 05, 2015, 02:15:41 PM
I will weigh in the morning. Forgot this morning and had already had some coffee so decided to wait. Pretty sure I am at or above 140. Been eating like complete shit these past couple of weeks so I may be over what I am estimating. We shall see!

The contest doesn't begin until next Monday and I was thinking today. Oh well... already geared up to start so going to go ahead and roll with it this week to get a head start. Figure it will take me a bit to get dialed in.

May have to open the old journal back up  :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 05, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
Weight loss is the main goal ID. I know a shit ton of people entered and like I said no real chance to win but if I did that $ would come in handy by putting it on our new house. LOL!

TBH... I will be completely embarrassed to put up before pictures. I hate how I look now and when I take my photos tonight you can bet this gut is going to be poking out just as far as I can get it!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 05, 2015, 02:48:10 PM
Starting my cut today.  Gonna stay around 2000 cal/day.  Lose all the extra sugar I've using...sodas, candy, pastries.  Also snacks like chips and cookies.  Gone gone gone.  I really let loose in December.  Also going to limit beer consumption to occasions that warrant it other than "hey, I'm home and have nothing to do so I'll have a beer."

I'll do my official weigh when I lift today as that is when I usually weigh myself.  I was at 205 this morning though.  My goal is to get down to 180 lbs.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 05, 2015, 02:49:56 PM
Starting my cut today.  Gonna stay around 2000 cal/day.  Lose all the extra sugar I've using...sodas, candy, pastries.  Also snacks like chips and cookies.  Gone gone gone.  I really let loose in December.  Also going to limit beer consumption to occasions that warrant it other than "hey, I'm home and have nothing to do so I'll have a beer."

I'll do my official weigh when I lift today as that is when I usually weigh myself.  I was at 205 this morning though.

Yeah the beer is what gets me. Mine will be drastically cut back. The good thing is no more BAMA games so I don't have the usual Saturday parties to worry about.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on January 05, 2015, 02:56:50 PM

May have to open the old journal back up  :o

Kick the dust off that bad boy!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 05, 2015, 04:53:32 PM
Starting my cut today.  Gonna stay around 2000 cal/day.  Lose all the extra sugar I've using...sodas, candy, pastries.  Also snacks like chips and cookies.  Gone gone gone.  I really let loose in December.  Also going to limit beer consumption to occasions that warrant it other than "hey, I'm home and have nothing to do so I'll have a beer."

I'll do my official weigh when I lift today as that is when I usually weigh myself.  I was at 205 this morning though.  My goal is to get down to 180 lbs.

Sounds similar to what I'm going to do. Tipped the scales at 212.6, 34 inch pants are very snug so I'm looking forward to some breathing room
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 05, 2015, 05:35:16 PM
I had a big fat monkey wrench thrown at me today.  Kitchen is dismantled for new tile being put in so no oven to cook my meat in.  Too dark to grill outside (too f'ing cold too).  No oven 'til at least Thursday.  The workers will be taking over my home gym tomorrow to cut tile since it'll be too cold outside to do it.  Hopefully, just dropping the beer from my macros will be enough to lose something this week.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 05, 2015, 05:42:07 PM
I had a big fat monkey wrench thrown at me today.  Kitchen is dismantled for new tile being put in so no oven to cook my meat in.  Too dark to grill outside (too f'ing cold too).  No oven 'til at least Thursday.  The workers will be taking over my home gym tomorrow to cut tile since it'll be too cold outside to do it.  Hopefully, just dropping the beer from my macros will be enough to lose something this week.

Time to run to store and buy a few rotisserie chickens!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 05, 2015, 05:46:27 PM
I had a big fat monkey wrench thrown at me today.  Kitchen is dismantled for new tile being put in so no oven to cook my meat in.  Too dark to grill outside (too f'ing cold too).  No oven 'til at least Thursday.  The workers will be taking over my home gym tomorrow to cut tile since it'll be too cold outside to do it.  Hopefully, just dropping the beer from my macros will be enough to lose something this week.

Time to run to store and buy a few rotisserie chickens!
Good idea ID!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 05, 2015, 06:23:09 PM
Starting my cut today.  Gonna stay around 2000 cal/day.  Lose all the extra sugar I've using...sodas, candy, pastries.  Also snacks like chips and cookies.  Gone gone gone.  I really let loose in December.  Also going to limit beer consumption to occasions that warrant it other than "hey, I'm home and have nothing to do so I'll have a beer."

I'll do my official weigh when I lift today as that is when I usually weigh myself.  I was at 205 this morning though.

Yeah the beer is what gets me. Mine will be drastically cut back. The good thing is no more BAMA games so I don't have the usual Saturday parties to worry about.

I can drop the beer.  My biggest problem will be the sweets.  I asked my wife not to bring any I like home.  I have no problems with it if they aren't in easy reach.  But something sitting on the counter is gonna be eaten.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 05, 2015, 06:23:58 PM
Starting my cut today.  Gonna stay around 2000 cal/day.  Lose all the extra sugar I've using...sodas, candy, pastries.  Also snacks like chips and cookies.  Gone gone gone.  I really let loose in December.  Also going to limit beer consumption to occasions that warrant it other than "hey, I'm home and have nothing to do so I'll have a beer."

I'll do my official weigh when I lift today as that is when I usually weigh myself.  I was at 205 this morning though.  My goal is to get down to 180 lbs.

Sounds similar to what I'm going to do. Tipped the scales at 212.6, 34 inch pants are very snug so I'm looking forward to some breathing room

I hear ya.  I'm pushing the envelope on my fat pants.  I refuse to go up to 36's
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 06, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Was estimating I had put on a decent amount of weight over the holidays. Last time I weighed was probably in August maybe and I was 131'ish. Got on this morning and was at 133.8. Thought this couldn't be right because I was thinking more around 140'ish. Got back on... same weight. So was thinking scale must be messed up. Throw a bag of sugar on to check and pretty much dead on.

Looks like this cut is going to be super slow. Not too much concerned with weight (especially after weighing) so this is going to be all about what the reflection in that mirror looks like.

 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 06, 2015, 10:41:53 AM
So I got my pics uploaded, but how the heck do you tell if you're completely registered?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: tobymax on January 06, 2015, 11:48:35 AM
Made it through day 1 of the cut with smaller portions, no sugary/sweet stuff except for fruit, and no hunger pangs!  If I don't feel hungry, almost seems like I'm not doing it right. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 06, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
Well, I know my brain is definitely in cut mode.   Worked out last night.   Felt like I was shrinking away.  Felt puny and small.   Yea I know a 215lb 5'9 guy is not small.   Just what our brains do to us.   Man....it is a strong feeling too.

Going to overcome it by lifting some heavy a$$ sh!t tonight.   Moving deads to tonight and just going to go man handle 585 for the fuk of it.   My brain needs it!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 06, 2015, 01:26:00 PM
Did good day 1, no added sugar or sweets except for some dextrose in my wo drink.  Post wo I crashed hard though.  Got the shakes and sweats.  Waited too long to eat due to my wife getting home late.  Had to wolf down some left over hamburger. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 06, 2015, 02:03:01 PM
Found my new go-to!   Barley!   Holy crap this stuff is great on a cut.   I had the bone off a prime rib that I had frozen for a later date for soup and decided to make myself some beef soup.   I simmered it for about 6 hours with some onions and shredded off all the meat around the bones.   I de-fatted the broth and added some 'better than bullion' to really bring up the beef taste.

Then I added the barely.   Looking at the side, 1serving was 1/4c dry.   32g carbs of which 8g are fiber.  (makes for very filling and slow digesting)    I had about 8-10cups of broth so I figured I would add 1/2c dry (2 servings).   I simmered as directed for 1.5 hours and when I opened the lid, the barley soaked up ALL THE BROTH!   It was a HUGE volume of food.   These "2" servings would easily yield 6 servings (at least what seems generous on a cut).   That means in each bowl you are really only eating about 10g of carbs (3g fiber).   YES....you get to eat satisfying food and it is very low carb!

I had some left-over breaded chicken fillets I made up.  I make them low fat and 'fry' them with a light coating of spray canola in a non-stick pan.  Italian bread crumbs, Parmesan cheese and garlic salt.    SUPER delicious!!!

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/2015-01-05135910_zps68ed67d4.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 06, 2015, 02:52:45 PM
^^^ Bad ID, Bad! Using barley for something other than making beer...for shame!!  :)

I actually forgot how good beef and barley soup could be until you posted up. My aunt made a wicked good beef and barley soup. Perfect for after a hard winter day rounding up heifers ready to drop calves.

Might have to steal that chicken recipe too. The bread crumbs, parmesan chees and garlic salt sounds most excellent.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 06, 2015, 03:13:05 PM


Might have to steal that chicken recipe too. The bread crumbs, parmesan chees and garlic salt sounds most excellent.

Yep.   I slice them in 1/2 thickness wise and cover in saran wrap and beat to about 1/4" thick.   Makes VERY tender and for even cooking.

Cut up into strips and dip in eggwash and then bread crumb mix.

For the pan, I start and spray the pan down good.  I will put the chicken in the pan.   Leave for about 2-3 min.   Then I will take about 1/8-1/4 tsp of olive oil and drip in open spots around the pan.   I pick the pan up and swirl the tenders around to evenly coat the oil.   Flip and repeat.   Any spots that are 'dry' still, I shoot with a dab of canola spray.

I brown both sides on med heat and finish in a 250d oven.  (so low temp because I can only cook 4 at a time in the pan, and dont want them to over cook in oven while I am doing the rest of them)   buy the time I am done cooking all, most are up to 165deg and very tender and still juicy!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on January 06, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
Since we're sharing chicken recipes....

I measure and slice 8 chicken breasts into sections that are 145 grams each.  Put chicken breasts on a metal pan, and in the oven - 375 for 34 minutes. Let them counter cool.  Slice them into thin pieces, then slice again and a third time till they are about 1/8" cubes.  Toss them in with 135 grams of cooked Jasmine rice, hit it with a few heavy dashes of Bragg's Amino's (http://bragg.com/products/bragg-liquid-aminos-soy-alternative.html), and a 1/4 cup of Classico Light Alfredo Sauce. 

Macros: 5 fat, 40 carb, 30 protein.

I'm pretty carb sensitive, and if I get low on Carb's I get grumpy and throw tables at co-workers.  Hence why this meal works really well for me.  Very low fat.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 06, 2015, 04:06:35 PM


Might have to steal that chicken recipe too. The bread crumbs, parmesan chees and garlic salt sounds most excellent.

Yep.   I slice them in 1/2 thickness wise and cover in saran wrap and beat to about 1/4" thick.   Makes VERY tender and for even cooking.

Cut up into strips and dip in eggwash and then bread crumb mix.

For the pan, I start and spray the pan down good.  I will put the chicken in the pan.   Leave for about 2-3 min.   Then I will take about 1/8-1/4 tsp of olive oil and drip in open spots around the pan.   I pick the pan up and swirl the tenders around to evenly coat the oil.   Flip and repeat.   Any spots that are 'dry' still, I shoot with a dab of canola spray.

I brown both sides on med heat and finish in a 250d oven.  (so low temp because I can only cook 4 at a time in the pan, and dont want them to over cook in oven while I am doing the rest of them)   buy the time I am done cooking all, most are up to 165deg and very tender and still juicy!

Glad you mentioned the egg wash because I was just about to ask if that's what you used to get the bread crumbs to stick.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: tobymax on January 06, 2015, 04:36:39 PM


Might have to steal that chicken recipe too. The bread crumbs, parmesan chees and garlic salt sounds most excellent.

Yep.   I slice them in 1/2 thickness wise and cover in saran wrap and beat to about 1/4" thick.   Makes VERY tender and for even cooking.

Cut up into strips and dip in eggwash and then bread crumb mix.

For the pan, I start and spray the pan down good.  I will put the chicken in the pan.   Leave for about 2-3 min.   Then I will take about 1/8-1/4 tsp of olive oil and drip in open spots around the pan.   I pick the pan up and swirl the tenders around to evenly coat the oil.   Flip and repeat.   Any spots that are 'dry' still, I shoot with a dab of canola spray.

I brown both sides on med heat and finish in a 250d oven.  (so low temp because I can only cook 4 at a time in the pan, and dont want them to over cook in oven while I am doing the rest of them)   buy the time I am done cooking all, most are up to 165deg and very tender and still juicy!

Glad you mentioned the egg wash because I was just about to ask if that's what you used to get the bread crumbs to stick.

It also helps if you dredge the chicken in flour first, which helps the egg wash stick, which helps the bread crumbs stick.  I set up an assembly line of three shallow bowls on the kitchen counter.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 06, 2015, 07:26:02 PM
Wife twisted my arm when I got home from work and made me take here out to dinner.  Italian restaurant where I can't resist their crab cakes.  I further sabotaged myself by washing it down with a beer. :-\
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 06, 2015, 09:56:33 PM
Second day just under 2200 cals.
Surprising how full I feel when I add in a cup of vegetables with each meal. But damn, I hate the taste of green vegetables, even with butter and salt.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 07, 2015, 09:00:52 AM
Second day just under 2200 cals.
Surprising how full I feel when I add in a cup of vegetables with each meal. But damn, I hate the taste of green vegetables, even with butter and salt.

I usually sprinkle a little onion powder or garlic powder on mine to give then a little extra flavor. Veggies aren't a problem for me though because I like them.

If my family is eating some type of high carb side I will steam veggies and eat them instead.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 07, 2015, 09:08:20 AM
Second day just under 2200 cals.
Surprising how full I feel when I add in a cup of vegetables with each meal. But damn, I hate the taste of green vegetables, even with butter and salt.

I usually sprinkle a little onion powder or garlic powder on mine to give then a little extra flavor. Veggies aren't a problem for me though because I like them.

If my family is eating some type of high carb side I will steam veggies and eat them instead.

I've tried them all kinds of ways, prefer them raw but then my stomach/throat complains. Regardless, getting my veggies in, one choked down bite at a time  ;)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 07, 2015, 09:14:43 AM

I've tried them all kinds of ways, prefer them raw but then my stomach/throat complains. Regardless, getting my veggies in, one choked down bite at a time  ;)

LOL! That reminds me of my mom making me sit at the table and eat veggies before I was excused from the table. Funny how I hated veggies then but like them now. (Thanks Mom!) Only normal veggie I will not even touch is an english pea. I guess some call them sweet peas???
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 07, 2015, 10:01:56 AM
Learning I can make it better thought the day if I put off eating breakfast for while.   I am up at 6:30 getting kids ready for school and I take my first dose of EC right then.   I switch over to decaf coffee when I am on EC.   I have a few cups of coffee throughout the AM and wait till about 10 to eat.   Works much better for me.   Good with EC too as my next dose is at 11 and my stomach will be fairly emptied and ready.   Then I eat lunch around 1-130.


Breakfast has settled on something I am enjoying.

3 egg whites cooked in 1/2tsp butter salt pepper
1 piece wheat toast with 1/2 tsp butter and blackberry preserves
8 oz 1%milk with 1.75 scoops unflavored whey isolate.   Add cinnamon and packet of truvia and sometimes a dash of vanilla extract.
1/3 serving of cocoa roasted almonds. (round out my fats)


Yea....most of the protein comes in the form of my whey....but I find this is very easy for me to do.   The unflavored whey is proving to be even more a valuable tool while cutting.   Basically zero carb and almost all protein.  It mixed so thin that last night I wanted to eat a chobani strawberry yogurt, but I already had carbs coming in with the milk from my evening shake.   

No prob...I mixed 1 full scoop (25 g pro) with only 4 oz of milk and it was fine.... Not even thick...AND got to enjoy the 20g of carbs from naturally sweetened chobani strawberry :D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 07, 2015, 02:51:35 PM
Forgot to add.....bringing back BCAA leucine into my supplementation.  Leucine is the big player of the bcaa's so I just take it solely.    I buy it in bulk form (no additives).

I add it to my intra workout drink.   I am also adding 20g dextrose  (I used 50g when not dieting).   I find that grape kool-aid liquid mix blends best with the bitter flavor of BCAA.    It does not like to dissolve in water so I prepare my drink the night before after I get back from the gym.   It will dissolve fully overnight.

Just figured I would throw this out there!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 08, 2015, 01:38:36 PM
Livin the dream ;)

Lunch today.   

6oz roasted turkey breast (aprox 8.5 uncooked wt)
Spring mix salad with my homemade cutting balsamic (see below)
Ramen noodles (carbs but with 1/2 salt...see below)


For my salad dressing I use about 4oz balsamic vinegar and then add some typical seasonings.   I dont want to use full oil so I only use about 1oz olive oil and dilute with water to make a total of 10oz  Or 40:60 ratio vinegar:oil/water.    Now comes some of the tricks.   To take the edge off acidity I add some artificial sweetener to taste.   I also add some xantham gum.  (awesome thickening agent....little goes a looooong way).   I also put about 2tbs of unflavored greek yogurt in.  (it also does a lot to mellow the acid and smooth out the whole dressing and give a 'creamy' appearance)

For the ramen...they are just an easy measured carb source.   I use only about 1/3 of the flavor packet and put an equal amount of salt sub in with it.   (cant even tell flavor wise).   The potassium pretty much negates the high sodium as it is almost a 50:50 ratio.   When I need fats, I will add some coconut oil to the ramens.   It adds a very nice texture.   Since I am going kinda Nazi right now, I am making every effort to keep fats way down for the first few weeks.

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/2015-01-08131918_zps412ed7db.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 08, 2015, 02:01:31 PM
I love, love, love turkey breast. But you are missing something man...

MUSTARD!  :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 10, 2015, 05:43:27 PM
Cut going well.   No mess ups.   Had to eat out twice yesterday.   Both places ended up ordering a grilled chicken breast with steemed veggies.   Rounded out the macros with a dinner roll and butter.

Was not planning on posting any pictures until I near the end, but I was pleasantly surprised at how quick my leg definition is coming back.   He I am just 10 days back into cutting.   Now I just need to bring the rest of my body to this level.   It is scary to think what my legs might look like when I can bring the rest of my body down....

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/364b1cce-0d60-40c9-aeeb-7e35c086d302_zps4953508a.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: halfway on January 10, 2015, 07:28:16 PM
Nice ! Your legs come in first too eh?

In on this, I'm in one week on three meals ed no snacks, this weekend I've gone 1800 cal and dropped carbs to 50g ed

Not going to be fun but I look like shit right now and bloat highlights all my weaknesses!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 10, 2015, 08:45:49 PM
Look impressive ID.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on January 10, 2015, 11:56:35 PM

I hear ya.  I'm pushing the envelope on my fat pants.  I refuse to go up to 36's

LMAO

I know these feels.

Too bad I'm wearing 38s these days....
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bushido on January 11, 2015, 03:44:11 PM


([url]http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/2015-01-08131918_zps412ed7db.jpg[/url])



"Dude, i'm gonna type as sober as possible, that honestly looks ****ing pathetic and digusting compared to my meal. and I'm being one hundred percent serious. Sorry we dont cook **** that was perviously in cans. you're a fuking joke dude, and im dead fuking serious. gert areal family that cooks good food, drinks beer and wine and winecoolers and has a good fuking time, and has a milliondollar house on the beach, im seriously.. dont eever potst your fuking families poverty dinner on these forums ever the fuk again bro, and by bro i mean never my bro, fuking ***got. "


lol j/k.

hopefully you're aware.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 11, 2015, 03:57:58 PM


"Dude, i'm gonna type as sober as possible, that honestly looks ****ing pathetic and digusting compared to my meal. and I'm being one hundred percent serious. Sorry we dont cook **** that was perviously in cans. you're a fuking joke dude, and im dead fuking serious. gert areal family that cooks good food, drinks beer and wine and winecoolers and has a good fuking time, and has a milliondollar house on the beach, im seriously.. dont eever potst your fuking families poverty dinner on these forums ever the fuk again bro, and by bro i mean never my bro, fuking ***got. "


lol j/k.

hopefully you're aware.

No clue.....I am not a 'miscer'...... to busy working out :D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on January 11, 2015, 04:27:16 PM
lmao

aware
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 11, 2015, 04:34:18 PM
< clueless, but still giggling.  Don't know why. :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 11, 2015, 06:13:17 PM
Keeping my non-wo days even tighter on the carbs.  (right around 100g)


Toinghts dinner.

9oz chicken breast.   I did my version of 'hot wings' for cutting.   I slice the breast and half and beat thin to about 3/8".   I then flour the chicken lightly.   Add a tsp of olive oil to a large skillet and brush around.   Put the strips on on med heat.   Let a nice light brown build up.   I spray the exposed side with canola spray before flipping and then repeat until brown.   Velveting the chicken makes it MUCH more moist and gives it something to grab onto the sauce with.

I took a tbs of smart balance and melted in a bowl.  Added some Franks, sriracha, and cayanne.   Dredged cooked fingers in sauce.   Super moist and even a little crispy on edges.

I have observed in the past this only picks up about 25g of carbs from the light flour coating.

So that was it....and a side salad of spring mix with my balsamic dressing.



(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/2015-01-11175553_zpsb8e25bde.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 11, 2015, 06:29:18 PM
That's such a sad looking salad ;(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 11, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
That's such a sad looking salad ;(
Looks like yard clippings.  Add gravy to make it taste better.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bushido on January 11, 2015, 09:27:12 PM

No clue.....I am not a 'miscer'...... to busy working out :D

What is this "working out" you speak of?  8)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 11, 2015, 09:56:58 PM

No clue.....I am not a 'miscer'...... to busy working out :D

What is this "working out" you speak of?  8)

it's a thing that people outside of the misc do
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on January 12, 2015, 10:05:26 AM
My Cut is still going clean.  Down 11lbs.  I start doing Cardio this week.  Ugh...

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 12, 2015, 10:31:04 AM
It's all worth it, Deralta! Keep hitting it bro, that's solid progress!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 12, 2015, 10:46:36 AM
My Cut is still going clean.  Down 11lbs.  I start doing Cardio this week.  Ugh...

What kind of cardio do you usually do??




Day one begins for me today! Was planning to start last Monday but figured I would just hold off until this week when the actual challenge begins. Been eating the hell out of some carbs this past week to clean out all the stuff from my pantry ;D

Weigh in this morning 134.2. It's go time!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on January 12, 2015, 10:51:50 AM
Two gym sessions a week.  One with 5 minutes of HIIT, and one that's a 300calorie MISS.
So, it's usually Elliptical and Treadmill, sometimes the stairs.

I'm trying to expand it a bit, and will likley bring the Sled Push in there for HIIT.  Heart gets pounding when I'm sprinting with 300+ pounds on the sled...
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 12, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
Two gym sessions a week.  One with 5 minutes of HIIT, and one that's a 300calorie MISS.
So, it's usually Elliptical and Treadmill, sometimes the stairs.

I'm trying to expand it a bit, and will likley bring the Sled Push in there for HIIT.  Heart gets pounding when I'm sprinting with 300+ pounds on the sled...

We have elliptical and treaders only at my gym. We just got an Arc Trainer a couple of weeks ago. I hate ellipticals so I never use those. Haven't tried the Arc Trainer yet so I may play around on it and see if I like it.

Wish we had more variety at our place but we gotta use what we have.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on January 12, 2015, 11:22:36 AM
We've got bikes, treadmills, arc trainers, more bikes, two different kinds of ellipticals, a stair machine, rowers and more bikes.

Plus, I have the Sandbags (up to 100lbs), farmers handles, Water logs & Pipes, two sleds, plus weighted Vests.  I can do cardio until I hate life, and not use the same piece of equipment.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 12, 2015, 11:59:10 AM
AM weigh-in......209.    Two week, drop of 18lbs.   Man, really reinforces how shitty I was eating to try to get up there!   

Stomach is shrinking way down now.   Not in a bad spot...abs are back in.  Not quite at the abdominal vein state yet.  (but I know where it is and I keep an eye out for it! ;) )

I think the weight loss will be slow and steady now.   I think 200lbs or just under will look pretty good.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: tobymax on January 12, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Last Monday, day 1:  171.3 lbs.

Today, day 7:  167.1 lbs.

I just ate a snack pack of Nutter Butter cookies.   :(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 12, 2015, 02:12:28 PM
Last Monday, day 1:  171.3 lbs.

Today, day 7:  167.1 lbs.

I just ate a snack pack of Nutter Butter cookies.   :(


^^^^ My all time favorite cookie!!


Since I am back tracking again for this I usually end up needing a little something at the end of the day to hit calories or carbs so I picked these up yesterday!  :o

(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s513/danap3681/Workout/hqdefault.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/danap3681/media/Workout/hqdefault.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 12, 2015, 02:22:51 PM
I'm down 1lb, but that's where I set my cals at. Might look at dropping cals a bit further and shoot for 1 1/2lb a week or a bit more to 2lb/week.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 12, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
Did great during the week last week and went off track over the weekend.  Back on track today.  Will be interesting to see what the scale says this afternoon for my official weigh in.  This morning I was 202. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bushido on January 12, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

it's a thing that people outside of the misc do



Ahh... What's your username on the misc?






















(http://i.imgur.com/U1kwloP.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 12, 2015, 03:26:19 PM
Good work everybody.   I am still living the dream :)

Mentally the past few day have been tough.   That shrinking feeling is strong these days.

Lunch today.  Ground chili, soy, liquid smoke, sriracha, and rice vinegar marinated chicken breast (split for moist cooking).  Broccoli w/ soy sauce and garlic (and touch of butter for some fat) and ramans for pre-wo carbs.(ramens done with 1/2 potassium 'salt')

I am totally in the groove now.   Looking back at old pics, I always stopped when I was just getting to the point of looking good.   No more....I am riding this bitch home! :)

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/2015-01-12141052_zpsc3773708.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bushido on January 12, 2015, 03:34:10 PM
^^^
Do you bake your chicken in the oven??
Looks pretty tasty.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 12, 2015, 03:44:18 PM
^^^
Do you bake your chicken in the oven??
Looks pretty tasty.

Nope.   cook in skillet w/ canola spray on low-med heat.   I find that cooking the chicken at lower temps starting in a cool pan, results in less shrinkage which seems to drive the moisture out.   Ever put a chicken breast in a hot pan and watch it shrink right up as it first goes in?   By putting in the pan cold and letting it come up to temp slow, it does not do that initial pull in.   It also gives more time for the moisture that comes out to reduce as you are cooking and you can get some good caramelization.   I flip and cook to temp with meat thermometer.   Only way I have found to have moist breast meat.  (slicing thin is a must too!)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bushido on January 12, 2015, 04:07:01 PM

Nope.   cook in skillet w/ canola spray on low-med heat.   I find that cooking the chicken at lower temps starting in a cool pan, results in less shrinkage which seems to drive the moisture out.   Ever put a chicken breast in a hot pan and watch it shrink right up as it first goes in?   By putting in the pan cold and letting it come up to temp slow, it does not do that initial pull in.   It also gives more time for the moisture that comes out to reduce as you are cooking and you can get some good caramelization.   I flip and cook to temp with meat thermometer.   Only way I have found to have moist breast meat.  (slicing thin is a must too!)

Yeah I know what you mean about the shrinkage. I'll have to try your recipe, looks tasty.

If you like spicy food, you should try this recipe out.. It's what I eat for 90% of my meals when cutting, and helped me lose a ton of weight. I actually prefer it to junk food.

Heat up pan with either canola spray or a lil bit of coconut oil..
Cut up boneless skinless chicken into small chunks.. cook until white on both sides.

Once the chicken is cooked, I will put in some tomato sauce. Not a ton, just enough to cover the chicken (you could also substitute with low fat salsa if you're worried about the sugar). Then add some hot sauce of your choice, cayenne pepper, paprika, chili powder, garlic powder, and sun-dried sea salt. Let that simmer for 5 minutes or so.

Once it's cooked you can throw it in a whole wheat/gluten free wrap, on a salad, with brown rice, veggies or whatever you want really. I would usually make a few wraps at a time, wrap em up and  bring em to work, or if I went out somewhere where I knew I wouldn't find any healthy options. They make a great meal if you're on the go and are tasty as hell.


Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: halfway on January 12, 2015, 09:56:43 PM
 I'm tired as balls after just a week of this cutting nonsense

Does anyone else actually decrease frequency while cutting? I usually do 2-3 on, one off, repeat but now I'm in a sizeable deficit I'm thinking about dropping to every other day workouts.

Volume stays high, weights go down a bit , I try not to get hurt

today was bacon and eggs for breakfast, quest bar for mid afternoon hunger pangs, then salmon for dinner and maybe egg white and PNB powder pudding later.

I forgot how much this sucked for the first month or so - once I get to the stage that I like what I see in the mirror it becomes so much easier  :-\

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 13, 2015, 02:33:38 PM
Took one bite of a chocolate bar pre workout today.  I have a friggin sugar addiction.  Slowly but surely kicking it.  Once I'm off it completely I do ok.  But when I let myself go and get used to it...its hard to stop.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: AlexanderOmand on January 14, 2015, 11:18:29 AM
Checked in with my Diet Coach this morning.  I weighed in at 233.8lbs this morning.  He's adjusting my calories this week, so that the weight drop slows and evens out.

Everything is going very well.  Now, it's time to even it out, and stabilize it.  Hold it there as I work on strength and work on dropping the fat and adding muscle.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 14, 2015, 11:47:09 AM
Looks like everyone is doing pretty well. Weight this morning 132.2 which is 2lb drop from Monday. Usually see it drop back down on Wednesday mornings after a heavy day of carbs which ended on Sunday.

Usually eat alot of the same foods when cutting but searching recipes now for a few different things. Larger quantities of chicken and turkey in slow cooker is my plan. Can easily add things to the turkey and and chicken to make entirely different meals so it doesn't get boring. Not big on soups but seen some pretty good looking recipes I may try.

Grocery shopping this afternoon ;D

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 14, 2015, 12:21:57 PM
199.4 this morning.  First time under 200 since 10/31.  On track.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bushido on January 14, 2015, 05:53:36 PM
199.4 this morning.  First time under 200 since 10/31.  On track.

Congrats man! I love getting into the 100's.
Still a ways to go for me, but I'm on track to hit my goals, so it's all good.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: halfway on January 14, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
Down to 235 from 240 last week

yeah yeah I know, I could have taken a good dump and lost that much but it's a start

25 more to go 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 14, 2015, 07:38:52 PM
Heading off to do <shudder> cardio tonight. Wife wants to go down to the gym and thought I'd do a bit.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on January 15, 2015, 06:53:38 AM
I thought I was eating a lot better since the beginning of January, but I seemed to be the same or a little heavier. Yesterday I really upped my water intake and better watched what I ate.

This morning I am down 1 1/2 lbs. Feels pretty good since I've been struggling to lose anything. Maybe sweating in the sauna last night helped some.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 15, 2015, 10:01:11 AM
Them cardio feels :S

Today is rest day (cardio) for me!

Bought an 8lb turkey breast yesterday that is thawing in the fridge. Will throw it in the crock pot tomorrow morning and live off of that for a week. Turkey chili, turkey salad, turkey and gravy... oh the possibilities are endless ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 15, 2015, 10:10:17 AM
Think I'm going to shave the cals down a bit more. Maybe to around 2100 a day and jump start the weight loss a little more than what's happening now.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on January 15, 2015, 10:13:23 AM
The holidays were a disaster for me, with being sick twice, and missing a bunch of gym time.

Time to get back on the wagon, and count the last 4 weeks as a mini-bulk :)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 15, 2015, 12:14:13 PM
Think I'm going to shave the cals down a bit more. Maybe to around 2100 a day and jump start the weight loss a little more than what's happening now.

Why are you doing this?  Are you not losing any weight?  You lose too fast and muscle is going to be an issue.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 15, 2015, 02:02:21 PM
Think I'm going to shave the cals down a bit more. Maybe to around 2100 a day and jump start the weight loss a little more than what's happening now.

Why are you doing this?  Are you not losing any weight?  You lose too fast and muscle is going to be an issue.

Because it's about 1/2 lb a week right now and the last two times I've cut it seemed to take a week to week 1/2 at about 2000 cals to kick the body into gear. After that cals go up to 2200 again and it's about 1 lb a week loss there on out.
Not going to lose too fast. I check my weight twice a week to gauge where the cals need to be.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 18, 2015, 10:08:36 PM
207 and dropping.   Dont think my "bulk" is going to pay off that much....:(   Looks like I am stuck where I am at unless I want to take it to "another level" altogether.  That will be something I will think of down the road....but my mind right now is just on maintaining the best I can as I drop weight.

I know I said I was not going to take pics....but I am finally getting a bicep peak back. I look small and flat as hell in the pic.  But it looked better in my mind ;)
I can tell I am leaning out when I can see the vein that runs under my arm between my tricep and bicep.  It splits is right down the middle. 

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/71a4c04c-a15e-4f90-9aba-850865f2c27f_zpsc0356faa.jpg)

 I am sticking this thing out!   Lean or bust.   I dont give a shit at this point.... I am on auto-pilot.  Wanted to do something fun with the kids last night.  Baked a double batch of chocolate chip cookies.  150+.   Gave them out to the kids friends and neighbors today.  I only ate a single one....   :)

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/2015-01-17220056_zps3c5f36d0.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 18, 2015, 10:26:13 PM
You should have added protein powder, ID! Make those kids swole!
Glad to see the cut's coming along, and nice self-control around all those cookies
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: tobymax on January 19, 2015, 09:52:46 AM
MMMMmmm, Cookies...  My biggest weakness when it comes to sweet stuff.  Good job staying away from them. 

Cut Fail this past week.  Two things:

1.  One of our company executives was in town, and being that we are in the restaurant industry, when he's in KC he likes to check out the latest popular places.  He orders several appetizers and other menu items, and wants everyone to try them and offer an opinion.  So that happened for three lunches.

2. Friday was the start of "restaurant week" in KC, where you can go to all the various upscale (and not so upscale) restaurants around the city and get a three course dinner for $33, with some percentage of proceeds going to charities.  It's a good time to try restaurants that we normally wouldn't due to the cost, so we ate out Friday night and Sunday night.  These three course meals come with dessert.  I know if I were more committed to the cut I would "just say no", but damn... they were so good.

So my Monday morning weigh-in:
1/5:  171.3
1/12: 167.1
1/19: 167.7
 

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 19, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
MMMMmmm, Cookies...  My biggest weakness when it comes to sweet stuff.  Good job staying away from them. 

Cut Fail this past week.  Two things:

1.  One of our company executives was in town, and being that we are in the restaurant industry, when he's in KC he likes to check out the latest popular places.  He orders several appetizers and other menu items, and wants everyone to try them and offer an opinion.  So that happened for three lunches.

2. Friday was the start of "restaurant week" in KC, where you can go to all the various upscale (and not so upscale) restaurants around the city and get a three course dinner for $33, with some percentage of proceeds going to charities.  It's a good time to try restaurants that we normally wouldn't due to the cost, so we ate out Friday night and Sunday night.  These three course meals come with dessert.  I know if I were more committed to the cut I would "just say no", but damn... they were so good.

So my Monday morning weigh-in:
1/5:  171.3
1/12: 167.1
1/19: 167.7
 

Shame on you for gaining a few ounces..... :biggrinjester:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: tobymax on January 19, 2015, 11:58:30 AM
Shame on you for gaining a few ounces..... :biggrinjester:

I know it's silly.  Anything within a few pounds could be due to sodium intake from restaurant food.  But it's supposed to be a cut!   8)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on January 19, 2015, 12:42:41 PM
I've come to the conclusion that I really don't care about losing weight right now.  Without my head in the game, I know I won't make much progress in the long-term.  Now I need to decide if the best path is to stay where I am for a while or "suck it up buttercup" and diet anyway.

 ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 19, 2015, 01:06:46 PM
I haven't been doing very well either.  I'm afraid to even get on the scale.  Too much beer lately that I should stay away from.  If I just got rid of the beer, I'd do well.  I don't like sweets, pastries, ice cream, and the usual comfort foods that some people can't resist.  I never have liked them (My parents gave me fruit baskets for Easter as a kid).  My irresistible foods are fried foods, salty snacks, and beer.  Today I started keto which I'm hoping will be something I can stick too.  We'll see how it affects my training.  I'm sure it'll take a while to get used to.  I'm also going to add in some light cardio on off days.  Cardio for me will be walking though.  Nothing intense, more of a rehab.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 19, 2015, 04:43:13 PM
Keto is appealing because it's an excuse to eat a shit ton of tasty meat
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 19, 2015, 04:51:26 PM
Keto is appealing because it's an excuse to eat a shit ton of tasty meat

I have spent over 2 years of my life doing CKD diets.   They are effective but terribly hard on me mentally.  Single most effective diet ever for dropping fat and still making progress in the gym  (before I had hit my peak)

I have to say....I dont get all you guys.   I dont let myself cheat or mess up on a diet. Even a small cheat, although it has no impact in the overall picture, it makes you weaker mentally.   I hate dieting enough that I want it to take as little time as possible.   That means zero cheating.   I would not call it 'easy' but it is the only thing logical....otherwise I wont even set the goal to diet in the first place.

I tell people dont diet until you are committed to it.  Guess you could say it is like quitting smoking. (Not that I smoke).   No point in doing it unless you are truly ready.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 19, 2015, 07:03:57 PM
Keto is appealing because it's an excuse to eat a shit ton of tasty meat

I have spent over 2 years of my life doing CKD diets.   They are effective but terribly hard on me mentally.  Single most effective diet ever for dropping fat and still making progress in the gym  (before I had hit my peak)

I have to say....I dont get all you guys.   I dont let myself cheat or mess up on a diet. Even a small cheat, although it has no impact in the overall picture, it makes you weaker mentally.   I hate dieting enough that I want it to take as little time as possible.   That means zero cheating.   I would not call it 'easy' but it is the only thing logical....otherwise I wont even set the goal to diet in the first place.

I tell people dont diet until you are committed to it.  Guess you could say it is like quitting smoking. (Not that I smoke).   No point in doing it unless you are truly ready.

When I did Keto (and lost a ton of muscle and even more fat doing it), I didn't even cheat once. I was committed to it, and I lost all that weight because of that commitment. I was terrified of falling off the wagon.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 19, 2015, 08:14:50 PM
ID - I do better when I ease into a diet.  First basically stating I'll get rid of added sugars.  So, no candy, sodas etc.  That usually kicks me off for a few quick pounds of weight loss.

As I start seeing results I get more motivated to stick with it and tighten things up.  Then I start getting rid of extra carbs that just don't come with regular meals. 

That's good for a few more pounds.   Once I'm down like 10 pounds then I'm in full on diet mode mentally and I start counting calories. 

I have to ease into it like this cause I know if I go all out all at once I'll fail.  But if I ease into it then let motivation take over I can get into long term mode.  I hate losing ground and that motivates me.

Everyone is different.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 19, 2015, 08:16:28 PM
201 this morning.  +2 pounds over the weekend.  Not surprising.  I'm guessing I'll be 197-198 by Friday.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: halfway on January 19, 2015, 10:15:29 PM
TFW bulk, Id, I knew that was coming. At our level there's just no more room to add without upping the dose.... Once the bulk fat comes off you end up the same as before

But I'm good with that, and you should be too, you could up to grams a week and maybe only put on another 10lbs of actual muscle which would all vanish when you went back on HRT, where you are now is above almost everyone else who does this seriously and you've got the strength too.

I ate like chit this weekend, Mexican bloat FTL :(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 21, 2015, 03:06:53 PM
TFW bulk, Id, I knew that was coming. At our level there's just no more room to add without upping the dose.... Once the bulk fat comes off you end up the same as before

But I'm good with that, and you should be too, you could up to grams a week and maybe only put on another 10lbs of actual muscle which would all vanish when you went back on HRT, where you are now is above almost everyone else who does this seriously and you've got the strength too.

I ate like chit this weekend, Mexican bloat FTL :(


Yep...Thinking I am coming to realize that :(.  I had the delusion that if I ate enough and was at a mild bump, I might be able to gain some more.   Guess training wheels are for beginners ;).   But if it does take 1g+, I dont see myself doing that.   I am pretty happy all around.   I am mostly bummed because if I was going to get nothing out of it, I would have rather spent the mental energy on leaning out.   I think for me, there lies the next goal.   

To be honest, I was not ready to make the sacrifices to do it up to this point.   BUT, that is what truly separates those guys that are just 'big' to those who really stand on a whole different level of being big AND lean.  You really dont see many people who pull it off.   (consistently).   

While often 'gym big' guys dismiss these body types as 'board short' fitness models, I plan on doing it and out-lifting most SHW's in the process.   I got the best compliment last night in the 'globo-gym' I have been working out it.    I worked in some legs with a guy and he knows I am cutting.   He is a big dude.  Eats 4000+cals....lifts his balls off.   He knows I am living on +/- 150g of carbs a day. 

Never worked out with him before.  We started squatting, we started warming up.   I after 135 and 225, he asked if I wanted to go up to 315.  I said, yea, but that is still warming up. :)   Then I went to 405 and did pause squats as deep as I can (been working on flexibility and really going down).   Then I pulled out a 8" box (which puts me about 2" past parallel....to keep me honest) and put 495 on.   I need the mental boost while cutting to just know I am not weak.   I buried the 495 and held a nice 5 second pause at the bottom.

Dude says....I would never guess you could squat that much looking at you.  And knowing that you are cutting and low carb, I would have bet $1000 I would have been lifting the weight off you.  (he asked me if I wanted a spot and I told him I did not need it).

Well anyway...it is not a PR or any great achievement.   Just another day of doing what you have to do.  Day in and day out.  Workout to workout.  Pushing yourself to do what is not always comfortable.   DEMANDING that you do it.

Not sure how this all will workout....at times feeling lost, but I know this is the right direction for me even though it is very hard some days to withhold food.
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Late lunch/pre wo meal.   (Concentrating carbs pre and post workout)

8oz lean beef.  (cube steak in this case which is top round...same as 93/7 ground beef).   2.5 servings peeled new potatoes, pan seared to crispy outsides with canola spray, pepper, garlic salt, oregeno and basil. (aprox 45g of carbs)

Living the dream.   21days in and counting.  No slip ups.   Contemplating a 'cheat meal' at some point.   Maybe take the wife out to dinner.  But frankly, I dont need it.   I am at 100% on the commitment and 'cheating' this early on is for the weak.   In another few weeks it might be beneficial....but I can feel I am not at that point yet.

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/2015-01-21143402_zps060b709d.jpg)




Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on January 23, 2015, 07:36:13 AM
ID, you've really got everything down to a science and I commend you for that. Not sure I could ever be that vigilant.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 24, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
ID, you've really got everything down to a science and I commend you for that. Not sure I could ever be that vigilant.

Thanks man.....It is funny... this stuff that at one time seemed so foreign and complex, is really just simple now.   It is all just executing it.  The biggest thing I have learned is it is all about the little things over a long period that make the difference.   NOTHING happens overnight.   With diet, just "set it and forget it".   The mental rollercoaster will leave you in doubt often, but if you trust in the process, you will get to where you want to go.

The worst thing to do is not have a plan.   It is like driving cross country without looking at a map.  You may get up every day and see which direction the sun rises and set off, but the idea that you will get there in an efficient manner is silly.  This is not route 66 I am traveling, and I dont want the scenic route.   I want to head direct to my destination so I can enjoy myself once I get there.

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On another note....where are all my other IS cutters?.... You guys out there?   Update:..........
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on January 26, 2015, 11:01:41 AM
3 weeks down in my cut and nothing happening in regards to weight.  I'm upping my cals a little, I think I may still be under eating.

on side note, I finally received my bag of Leucine on Saturday....it's just pure Leucine.  I put it in  my water with some flavor additive (generic mio)  and I don't see what all the fuss is.  It doesn't seem half as bitter as a lot of people complain about it.  It doesn't mix worth a shit, but that doesn't bother me.  I've been playing with the idea of adding an ECA stack, but for some reason I just don't feel comfortable with it.   
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on January 26, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
In.
I'm cutting a little until my belly and love handles go away. Need to keep my weight in check.

Eggs sausage and kawphee for breakfast :)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on January 26, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
I'm still at it, but being sick 3 times in 4 weeks put a real dent in my process.  And by dent, I mean I put on 8 lbs. :(  I was out of the gym and not exercising for a lot of that 4 weeks.

Finally healthy again for the past week, and I'm back into a routine at the gym and outside, as well as back to tracking what I'm eating.  Progress should happen shortly.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on January 26, 2015, 01:49:28 PM
Haven't weighed myself lately but pants are getting loose. Will judge by looks as opposed to scale weight.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 26, 2015, 02:17:11 PM
Haven't weighed myself lately but pants are getting loose. Will judge by looks as opposed to scale weight.

No scale for 2 weeks here either!   I dont want the mind fuk.   I am just going forward.....I am at the point where changes are starting to be able to be seen every few days.   Satisfying for sure.  Getting some freaky thin skin in my legs.    Waiting on the torso to follow! :D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 26, 2015, 02:44:13 PM
Gained 3 pounds this weekend.   >:(  Starting over. 

On a good note..I think I have my wife convinced to play along to some degree.  She never likes my cutting phases.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 29, 2015, 01:01:10 PM
Well...guess that 3 pounds I gained was water weight.  Down to 198.6 this morning.  The lowest I've been since starting at 206.  Also started an EC stack yesterday.   Will see how that goes.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on January 29, 2015, 01:48:50 PM
I am sorta unoficially cutting. I was down to 161.6 this a.m. That's the lowest I've been since I started stuffing myself with pumpkin pie back in November.  ::)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 29, 2015, 01:58:51 PM
I am sorta unoficially cutting. I was down to 161.6 this a.m. That's the lowest I've been since I started stuffing myself with pumpkin pie back in November.  ::)

What did you get up to?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on January 29, 2015, 02:31:45 PM
I am sorta unoficially cutting. I was down to 161.6 this a.m. That's the lowest I've been since I started stuffing myself with pumpkin pie back in November.  ::)

What did you get up to?

I was around 170. Very uncomfortable, harder to breath and my pants don't fit.  :S
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 29, 2015, 02:54:04 PM
a 9 pound drop.  Nice work.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 29, 2015, 02:55:57 PM
Down to 207 so 5lb weight loss in 4 weeks. Not bad and easy to maintain at this rate.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on January 29, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
a 9 pound drop.  Nice work.

Thanks. I've definitely cleanup up my eating and upped my water intake lately.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on January 31, 2015, 11:23:20 AM
I think it's time for me to cut some more calories off my daily diet.  I'm the same weight I was 2 weeks ago but I wanted to start slow since I wasn't sure how my gym performance would react to the new diet.  So far, not bad.  No PRs, but no regression at least.  My energy level feels the same or better as when I was on a typical diet with carbs.  I'm I'm definitely in ketosis since I've been under 30g of carbs a day.  The sticks are showing medium levels of keytones.  The last two weeks my calorie limit was set at 2,050 calories with 25g carbs, 150g, fat, and 150g protein.  I'm going to drop that to 1,825 calories with 25g carbs, 125g fat, and 150g protein and see how that goes.  I may even add more (aka "some") light cardio to increase the deficit.

I will carb up a little for the superbowl tomorrow night with some beer :D.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 31, 2015, 01:05:59 PM
Alright, this EC stack (third day) reminds me a lot of being on theophylline when I was younger for my asthma.
Not hungry until I'm HUNGRY. Have to force myself to eat at my normal times.

Oddly enough, and the same effect from theophylline, if I have too much caffeine it has the opposite effect of most people; I feel like sleeping.
No change in BP but a slight elevation in BPM up 5 within an hour of taking.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 31, 2015, 02:26:31 PM
Alright, this EC stack (third day) reminds me a lot of being on theophylline when I was younger for my asthma.
Not hungry until I'm HUNGRY. Have to force myself to eat at my normal times.

Oddly enough, and the same effect from theophylline, if I have too much caffeine it has the opposite effect of most people; I feel like sleeping.
No change in BP but a slight elevation in BPM up 5 within an hour of taking.

have you noticed an increase in body temp?  I have.  Definitely sweating a bit more...especially that first day. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on January 31, 2015, 02:45:07 PM
While the metabolism boosting effects and appetite suppression are nice, the big>>>>NO HUGE reason EC is great is it is proven to be muscle sparing in a caloric deficit.

Many studies have shown that on EC the of the weight lost, significantly more will be fat NOT muscle.   Now some pub-med bandits will come in and say.....oh yea! it is not muscle sparing because  there is no change in 3-methylhistidine (a index of skeletal muscle breakdown).   But beta-2 activists have been shown to positively affect nitrogen balance in low calorie dieting.  Some even show 'anabolic' properties.  (think clenbuterol...a stronger beta 2)  Beta-2's also show a decrease in T3 T4 which could be muscle sparing.

Regardless of what the geeks want to fight about.....at the end of the day and the end of your cut, you WILL have more muscle than if you did not take it.   

Lots of people dont quite get this and think it is a 'diet pill'.    While it does work in some ways for that, I think of it more as a preservation enhancer.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 31, 2015, 02:48:38 PM
Alright, this EC stack (third day) reminds me a lot of being on theophylline when I was younger for my asthma.
Not hungry until I'm HUNGRY. Have to force myself to eat at my normal times.

Oddly enough, and the same effect from theophylline, if I have too much caffeine it has the opposite effect of most people; I feel like sleeping.
No change in BP but a slight elevation in BPM up 5 within an hour of taking.

have you noticed an increase in body temp?  I have.  Definitely sweating a bit more...especially that first day.

A bit, not much. No extra sweating here. More like being comfortably warm.
Course I am ramping the dose slowly. 38 mg the first two days and today. Tomorrow I'll go 50 and hold at that for two days, then up to 75. Keep at that for 3 weeks. Then ramp back down over a 2 week period. Then 2 weeks off.
I'll decide whether to run another one at the end of the 2 weeks off.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on January 31, 2015, 02:54:51 PM
While the metabolism boosting effects and appetite suppression are nice, the big>>>>NO HUGE reason EC is great is it is proven to be muscle sparing in a caloric deficit.

Many studies have shown that on EC the of the weight lost, significantly more will be fat NOT muscle.   Now some pub-med bandits will come in and say.....oh yea! it is not muscle sparing because  there is no change in 3-methylhistidine (a index of skeletal muscle breakdown).   But beta-2 activists have been shown to positively affect nitrogen balance in low calorie dieting.  Some even show 'anabolic' properties.  (think clenbuterol...a stronger beta 2)  Beta-2's also show a decrease in T3 T4 which could be muscle sparing.

Regardless of what the geeks want to fight about.....at the end of the day and the end of your cut, you WILL have more muscle than if you did not take it.   

Lots of people dont quite get this and think it is a 'diet pill'.    While it does work in some ways for that, I think of it more as a preservation enhancer.

And a lot of pubmed bandits don't review more than one or two studies or only look for ones that agree with their preconceived notions. Nor do they know if the studies they look at are properly designed.
Hence, when we're starting a new project at work the PI's better have their ducks in a row (i.e., background research) before I sign off on a review or animal study.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on January 31, 2015, 05:37:07 PM
Threads like these make me happy I moved from BB.com.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 01, 2015, 11:13:35 AM
Down to 195.6 this morning.  That's 11 pounds since the first.   5 pounds in the past week.  EC stack is doing some serious work. 

25 to go.

Will see how I am next week though.  Will be cheating in a big way today for the Super Bowl.  Beer and munchies. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 01, 2015, 11:22:32 AM
Great to hear!   Nice to know others are suffering along with me.   Except I WONT be cheating today. :D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 01, 2015, 11:27:59 AM
If by cheating you mean going over set cals today, then no, I will not be cheating either.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 01, 2015, 11:41:44 AM
If by cheating you mean going over set cals today, then no, I will not be cheating either.

Exactly.... I had a weird day yesterday and went from 9am till 3 before eating my second meal.   I had a bunch of lean protein already cooked and realized I was only at 30g of carbs for the day and fat was on the lower side.   I decided to save room that evening for a serving of icecream.   I just kept my carbs very light for the lunch.  So after dinner, I enjoyed a nice (but small) serving of icecream.  (I eat it out of coffee cups and it does not look so bad ;) )

 All within my macros....and not "cheating" in any way.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on February 01, 2015, 11:50:11 AM
If by cheating you mean going over set cals today, then no, I will not be cheating either.

Exactly.... I had a weird day yesterday and went from 9am till 3 before eating my second meal.   I had a bunch of lean protein already cooked and realized I was only at 30g of carbs for the day and fat was on the lower side.   I decided to save room that evening for a serving of icecream.   I just kept my carbs very light for the lunch.  So after dinner, I enjoyed a nice (but small) serving of icecream.  (I eat it out of coffee cups and it does not look so bad ;) )

 All within my macros....and not "cheating" in any way.
I have a hard time getting that concept through to my wife about stuff like that.  I keep telling her that the IIFYM plan doesn't leave a lot of room for bad foods, but it is possible to have a bit left over for small indulgences.  I remember my first cut I'd occasionally leave some carbs and calories left over for a couple of beers in the evening.  :D.  Not the best source of carbs, but whatever it took to keep me sane.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on February 01, 2015, 12:15:51 PM
#238.5 currently so a little over #11 dropped so far, taking it slow and easy.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 01, 2015, 12:44:54 PM
I'm not tracking at this stage.  I've just cut out any junk I was taking in and not getting second helping. And limiting my beer consumption to occasions that warrant it.  Not just because I'm bored. 

Knowing me in a few weeks I'll be tracking like a mad man because eye balling will no longer work.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 01, 2015, 01:12:35 PM
If by cheating you mean going over set cals today, then no, I will not be cheating either.

Exactly.... I had a weird day yesterday and went from 9am till 3 before eating my second meal.   I had a bunch of lean protein already cooked and realized I was only at 30g of carbs for the day and fat was on the lower side.   I decided to save room that evening for a serving of icecream.   I just kept my carbs very light for the lunch.  So after dinner, I enjoyed a nice (but small) serving of icecream.  (I eat it out of coffee cups and it does not look so bad ;) )

 All within my macros....and not "cheating" in any way.
I have a hard time getting that concept through to my wife about stuff like that.  I keep telling her that the IIFYM plan doesn't leave a lot of room for bad foods, but it is possible to have a bit left over for small indulgences.  I remember my first cut I'd occasionally leave some carbs and calories left over for a couple of beers in the evening.  :D.  Not the best source of carbs, but whatever it took to keep me sane.

I think a lot of people have trouble comprehending saving a bit for treat whether beer, ice cream or something else. They heard "eat clean" plus all the diet fads and it warps their view.
Lucky for me I'm not a bit sweets fan….except for pie….gawd I love pie. But, we don't buy them except a few times a year, and when I feel like pie I thing about how much effort goes into making one and then I'm good.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 01, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
#238.5 currently so a little over #11 dropped so far, taking it slow and easy.

Nice job Greg.
Having to dig out older pants yet?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 01, 2015, 02:13:33 PM
#238.5 currently so a little over #11 dropped so far, taking it slow and easy.

Good work.  Have you had any impact on your lifts?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 01, 2015, 09:54:06 PM
Alright, foot in mouth, went 70 cals over goal.....guess I'm gonna get fat  :P
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 04, 2015, 08:46:04 PM
 Cut is progressing well on this front.  7 weeks in.   I was not planning on posting any pics till I get in decent shape, but I snapped a quick one at the gym tonight.   Was not a leg night believe it or not.   Just being warm (and the fact that I ate a banana before I worked out) got my veins popping.  Figured I would snap a quick one.

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/e85064f9-399e-41e8-a6a3-09c02735fe0c_zps2e41db7b.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on February 04, 2015, 09:57:13 PM
Cut is progressing well on this front.  7 weeks in.   I was not planning on posting any pics till I get in decent shape, but I snapped a quick one at the gym tonight.   Was not a leg night believe it or not.   Just being warm (and the fact that I ate a banana before I worked out) got my veins popping.  Figured I would snap a quick one.

([url]http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/e85064f9-399e-41e8-a6a3-09c02735fe0c_zps2e41db7b.jpg[/url])


How the fuck do you fit into pants?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 04, 2015, 10:55:28 PM
Who said he wore pants?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 05, 2015, 01:56:57 AM
   I was not planning on posting any pics till I get in decent shape,

How do you post a comment like this with a straight face? Seriously?

Nice job ID.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 05, 2015, 07:01:30 AM
Great job ID. Mirin them veins. Is the upper body getting veiny also?

My diet is still not the greatest but I am down to 160.4 this a.m.

I started January at 170 so down almost 10 lbs so far, and my belt has moved in 1 - 2 notches so far.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on February 05, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
Cutting thread sounds good. I started diet 12/15/14 at 222lbs. Dropped about 7lbs out of water/glycogen the first week, now down to 202lbs so 20lbs total in 8 weeks but actual of about 13lbs. I am targeting 1.5-1.75lbs week and eating about 2100-2200 Cals/day 230p/75f/135g carbs +BCAAS (pics in first page of journal, and diet listed daily, everything is tracke except morning coffee but taht is made the same everyday so not a variable that will be adjusted -ever-).

Planning to run with this until I get to my desired level of leaness then resume a surplus but going to keep it smaller this time. Finding foods that work has ben helpful for satiation. Been eating mircle noodles for dinner a lot lately becuase its nice to feel full at least once per day. Hunger has not been too bad lately, strength hasnt tanked too much yet, but I can tell stamina is down. I might do some more experimenting with pre wo nutrition but its effect seems limited at my current bodyfat, if I have a bad day in the gym, I just blame it on that and try not to focus on the diets effect too much, although it certainly contributes.

I have a cold now, plannning to stay on point with the diet, but teh workouts my suffer a little for the next few days..
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: FLEX on February 05, 2015, 09:08:06 AM
   I was not planning on posting any pics till I get in decent shape,

How do you post a comment like this with a straight face? Seriously?

Nice job ID.

Classic ID bullshit.   ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on February 05, 2015, 11:27:34 AM

How the fuck do you fit into pants?

Dresses man! Dresses!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bushido on February 05, 2015, 12:12:45 PM

([url]http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/e85064f9-399e-41e8-a6a3-09c02735fe0c_zps2e41db7b.jpg[/url])



Sickening Wheels bro!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 05, 2015, 12:40:15 PM


How the fuck do you fit into pants?

This just shows how much an illusion 'bodybuilding" is.   My legs are not really that "big".   I mean they are developed well and about in proportion with the rest of me, but truth is there are many guys legs that have as much girth or more.   It is just when it is mostly fat, it does not look impressive.   When the fat drops away, the sweeps of the muscle really start to show.  Same thing happens in the upper body.   

So quite the opposite, but clothes fit much better now.   Sure, I wont be wearing skinny jeans anytime soon :)....but I buy most of my pants up 3-5" in the waist to fit my rear and hamstrings.    I buy "loose' fit as well.   But as I lean out, I could probably drop down a size or two. 



How do you post a comment like this with a straight face? Seriously?

Nice job ID.

It was not meant sarcastically.   I guess I kind of said it with my expectations as a backdrop.  I dont ever consider myself having paid the costs to get really "in shape".   I dont mean contest shape....just really good condition.   I am finally up for the task of trying to get there.   I dont consider myself there yet....but I AM getting closer.  Dont get me wrong, if the rest of my body were on par with the condition of my legs, I would be happy.   But sadly, it is not....and that is what I am working towards.


Great job ID. Mirin them veins. Is the upper body getting veiny also?

My diet is still not the greatest but I am down to 160.4 this a.m.

I started January at 170 so down almost 10 lbs so far, and my belt has moved in 1 - 2 notches so far.

I have been really restricting carbs that I cant believe what the banana did to me.  I have had this happen before.   Sometimes it all comes down to timing.   That is why I have said nutrient timing does play a role as you get to lower levels of BF.   Truthfully, the pic does not do it justice.   It was lower light and my Galaxy takes crappy low light pics.   My skin was a lot tighter then you can see in the pic.   Sucks the pic came out grainy and washed out a lot of the definition.

Upper body is coming well.   Arms are pretty much as vasuclar.   Main bicep vein looks like a gummy worm.   I have lots of vascularity down my triceps etc.   It is just starting to come in the shoulder area....but still a ways off.   Only one small ab vein down on my lower pelvis.  (Midsection will be the toughest by far!)



Classic ID bullshit.   ;D

Just keeping perspective with my goals.   I do realize that compared to the "avg" I am looking 'decent'.   I am not a moron nor insane.   I just am always looking at things with the backdrop of where I am looking to go.   Face it, if I was super happy with where I was, there would not be the motivation to go through the day in and day out process it takes to drop the fat.  I'm not crazy, I am just getting it done!



Dresses man! Dresses!

Ha!.....No, but I wish those 70's short shorts would come back in style.   My legs are always hid under these silly long shorts all the basketball players make in style.   Im going to europe so I can walk around in a spedo  :D


Sickening Wheels bro!


Thanks man!   I dont have the 'prettiest' frame from a bodybuilding standpoint, but I have been blessed with the ability to put on some decent musculature for sure.   Except in the calves ;)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 05, 2015, 02:00:00 PM
Up about a 1lb water weight from upping carbs/cals a bit yesterday but the workout sure did feel better today. Back down to 2000 today and the rest of the week.

Side note. Day early but up to the full ec stack dose today. No issues other than difficulty with taking a leak. Same issue I used to have taking phenylpropanolamine, before it was banned in the US. Makes sense as both E and PPA have similar molecular structures. PPA was the best (I mean THE BEST) nasal decongestant ever. I was really pissed when it went off the market.

And....the more I look into Y, the less likely I am to mess around with it at all. Just don't like the profile of it.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 06, 2015, 05:17:29 PM
Down to 159.2 this a.m.  I'm not tracking anything I eat except Protein amounts. I'm sure I could be doing better but I hate tracking.  :(
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on February 06, 2015, 05:33:50 PM
Down to 159.2 this a.m.  I'm not tracking anything I eat except Protein amounts. I'm sure I could be doing better but I hate tracking.  :(

Nice work, I wish I could do it intuitively but no way yet. Been tracking for a about a year. Getting closer I can portion out some foods onto the scale almost exactly to the gram now. Tracking keeps me feeling invested in the process though, and I was even tracking intake when I was pretty much eating as much and whatever I wanted, but I loosen it up some. If I'm off a little on weight I won't take it back out of the bowl etc. it all works together for me though to keep my head into it.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 06, 2015, 10:06:48 PM
Down to 159.2 this a.m.  I'm not tracking anything I eat except Protein amounts. I'm sure I could be doing better but I hate tracking.  :(

Nice work, I wish I could do it intuitively but no way yet. Been tracking for a about a year. Getting closer I can portion out some foods onto the scale almost exactly to the gram now. Tracking keeps me feeling invested in the process though, and I was even tracking intake when I was pretty much eating as much and whatever I wanted, but I loosen it up some. If I'm off a little on weight I won't take it back out of the bowl etc. it all works together for me though to keep my head into it.

I was tracking all of my macros for a couple months last year and was down to 155 but I got tired of doing it. I ended up way off track and at 170. All of this was with no cardio. Now that I'm doing BJJ I am actually getting cardio, so if I actually tracked what I'm eating and all of my macros I'm sure the weight would drop off. But I love to eat.  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 07, 2015, 05:40:21 PM
Drum roll please:

CHEAT meal tonight!!!

Wife is taking me out to dinner for my birthday tonight to one of my favorite restaurants.  Afterwards a friend of ours is hosting a party for me where we are going to spend the evening with some good friends and have some drinks.

So.....I am taking the reigns off for the evening...and then right back on in the AM!  I did eat light and high pro, low fat, low carb all day in prep to minimize the damage of tonight ;)

I am sure I will be feeling like superman tomorrow.   I should go workout just for the fun of it ;)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on February 07, 2015, 05:47:25 PM
#236.5 this morning so a #2 drop in a little over a week, still a long way to go to hit my goal which I don't even really know that is. The mirror will tell me when I have reached it.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on February 07, 2015, 07:36:51 PM
Drum roll please:

CHEAT meal tonight!!!

Wife is taking me out to dinner for my birthday tonight to one of my favorite restaurants.  Afterwards a friend of ours is hosting a party for me where we are going to spend the evening with some good friends and have some drinks.

So.....I am taking the reigns off for the evening...and then right back on in the AM!  I did eat light and high pro, low fat, low carb all day in prep to minimize the damage of tonight ;)

I am sure I will be feeling like superman tomorrow.   I should go workout just for the fun of it ;)

Nice - happy bday, I thought you wrote that whole manifesto about not cheating at all until you get to where you want lol.  likely do you good in the long run. Ever time I get even a little off on my intake I just make up for it on other days so the weekly Avis are the same. Nice mental break, I had a stiff vodka drink last night, it was worth it.
#236.5 this morning so a #2 drop in a little over a week, still a long way to go to hit my goal which I don't even really know that is. The mirror will tell me when I have reached it.


Nice work, it won't take you long at that pace to get to where you want to be.


I dipped below 200lbs today, granted I slept in in and had some water loss from having a cocktail. Should be holding sub 200lbs in another week or two..
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: itsagoodday on February 07, 2015, 09:01:15 PM
OK ok, I'm back in  ;D

I was planning on dropping back down to about 160 as I'd rather be competing this year in the 165 class than the 181.  However... recently realized I actually need to get back down into the 140's instead for a good reason.  My mom has health problems and I've been supporting her financially for a while now, and realized it's probably time for me to pick up a life insurance policy with her as the beneficiary.  So I guess I'll need to do the whole medical exam thing which as I understand it will look at my height/weight BMI (doesn't take muscle into consideration thankyouverymuch).  At my height, I need to be under 150 to not show up as overweight in BMI.  So 140's here I come, hopefully by this fall.  I'll try not to get run over before then.    :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 07, 2015, 09:05:48 PM
Drum roll please:

CHEAT meal tonight!!!

Wife is taking me out to dinner for my birthday tonight to one of my favorite restaurants.  Afterwards a friend of ours is hosting a party for me where we are going to spend the evening with some good friends and have some drinks.

So.....I am taking the reigns off for the evening...and then right back on in the AM!  I did eat light and high pro, low fat, low carb all day in prep to minimize the damage of tonight ;)

I am sure I will be feeling like superman tomorrow.   I should go workout just for the fun of it ;)

Wait….who are you and how did you hack ID's account?!
This kind of nonsense will not be tolerated!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 08, 2015, 03:17:51 PM


Wait….who are you and how did you hack ID's account?!
This kind of nonsense will not be tolerated!

Ha!  There are battles i know better then to fight. :). My wife puts up with a lot at times.....I would not rain on her plans for us.   Plus a little fun never hurt!

On that note....I am hung over as hell!   Holy sh!t!   Man i ended up getting pretty twisted.  A few very close friends all showed up and the night was filled with good times.   A good friend had our kids sleep over her house, so we just got to cut loose....and I did for sure.

My wife gave me a pretty big surprise.   I have not flown in over 5 years.  She arranged for me to go flying today.  I know that is alot for her as she came close to being a widow.  It was pretty emotional for me.  I am supposed to go in a few hours.  I just took an aleve....and I never take pain killers!   Gotta get rid of this headache.   

For the first time in a while....I am at a loss for words.....this is a pretty big thing for me.   I am most excited to share the experience with my kids.  It is one of the few regrets I have that I have not been able to give that gift to my kids.  There is not much else like helicopter flying.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on February 08, 2015, 04:09:25 PM
   There is not much else like helicopter flying.

Have flown in a few small ones  and have always enjoyed it, but I get a bigger rush on the track with my bike. Just something about going 170+ mph thru the banked turns of Daytona & then down the front sorta straight before getting hard on the brakes for tight left hander thru the infield.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 08, 2015, 04:18:58 PM
Greg, I am sure that is a rush too.   But something about the 3rd dimension ;)

This is a cool vid  (not me flying) but it is the same ship I used to have.  A hughes 500 (same as the magnum PI helo)   It is like a ferarri in the way it handles.

Check this out....Youll like it.

Getting ready to head out the door.   Pretty windy today...winds gusting to 25.  Will be a fun ride!


http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/playonevideo.aspx?videokey=1656 (http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/playonevideo.aspx?videokey=1656)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 08, 2015, 05:12:18 PM
ID - happy belated birthday. Hope you have/had a great flight.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on February 08, 2015, 06:03:09 PM
Greg, I am sure that is a rush too.   But something about the 3rd dimension ;)

This is a cool vid  (not me flying) but it is the same ship I used to have.  A hughes 500 (same as the magnum PI helo)   It is like a ferarri in the way it handles.

Check this out....Youll like it.

Getting ready to head out the door.   Pretty windy today...winds gusting to 25.  Will be a fun ride!


[url]http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/playonevideo.aspx?videokey=1656[/url] ([url]http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/playonevideo.aspx?videokey=1656[/url])


I have zero doubt that flying would be a major rush. Back when I was 17-18 I wanted to be a pilot and was seriously considering joining the Navy or the Air Force, recruiter had me all convinced I could be a pilot when I discovered the truth that because I wore glasses they would not accept me for that job but told me I could be a navigator...fuck that.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on February 08, 2015, 06:04:08 PM
Happy birthday ID!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 08, 2015, 07:00:32 PM
Thanks guys!  We postponed the flight.   Been 5 years since been on the controls, and as gusty as it was, it would not have been as much fun.  (nor comfortable for the kids who have not been up)

In helos, you fly pretty low and the air is pretty turbulent coming over terrain, tree lines...etc.   It bounces you around pretty good.   Would not bother me as I have quite a bit of time.   It certainly would have made it more challenging getting back on the controls though.  Hovering is a lot like standing on a ball and juggling at the same time.   I would imagine I might be a little rusty.   Back when I was instructing a lot, I transitioned several ex military high time guy back to current status.   They had all been out of flying from 2-10 years.   They were all able to have all the controls within about 10 min back in the seat.    I am assuming I will be similar.

I'll share some pics when I go!

For those who have not seen this vid (I have posted it 1000 times), This is an old flying vid of mine where I took my friend and his son up.   The end is the best part if you decide to watch all the way through.   Sucks I dont have more vids but hard to shoot vids with all hands tied up...and no "GO Pro's back then ;) )

Fun day.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhXdn0Ay1P0#)

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on February 08, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
Come pick me up in the helicopter pls
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 08, 2015, 10:43:25 PM
Happy Bday ID.  Thats some cool stuff.  Next time you drink...take your multi-vitamin and drink 1 or 2 glasses of water before going to bed.  Will cut down a ton on your hangover symptoms.  I've tried many things and that works the best.

Weighed in at 195.8 when I woke up today.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 09, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
I had a bit too much to drink on Sat too and think I must have had about 1000 cals in Gatorade alone yesterday  :o
Add in traveling on Sunday and arriving late to the hotel.....carb loaded like crazy and crashed at 8:30 pm last night.
Almost feeling human today.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on February 09, 2015, 01:04:21 PM
Happy Belated Birthday ID!

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 10, 2015, 09:13:24 PM
Happy Belated Birthday ID!

Thanks!  And thanks everyone.   Dont feel so bad getting 'older'.   Life is good for sure.   I can however remember the days were I would lament about how I "used" to be strong and fit.   I was your typical washed up athlete that lived on past laurels.   Got to drink beers, sit around with the guy and tell stories of how close I came to 'making it'.   I look back now and think it was pretty pathetic.   

I take more pride in what I do now than what I ever did when I was younger.   That is much better and I am proud to set the example for my kids that I do now.   

Thanks everyone!

Back on track with the diet....and full steam ahead!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on February 10, 2015, 10:25:53 PM
I need to get back on the wagon. Will be back to my fat guy weight belt if im not careful...soon


Congrats to all up in here
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 13, 2015, 08:22:43 PM
Cutting coming along well..... Almost 8 weeks in and will be taking a few week planned break and then I'll be going right back at it!   I'll be a little early for June....but I am going to be ready for early spring!

I have stopped getting on the scale 2 weeks ago, and am just going to go by 'feel' from here on out.   (For those that know me, it is not really like me...but I am learning to be less regimented and living more of a flexible lifestyle).   My guess is I am in the low 200's down from 227 Jan 1.  I am supposed to compete in a powerlifitng meet to represent my gym in early april.   Kinda tough to train for it with the dieting....but I am just going to 'wing' that too!

Cheezy vid.....but hell, show what ya got! :)  Another month deiting and people might accuse me of being a 'bodybuilder'.  (You dont often catch me doing dumbbell curls......) ;)

Bis Mid cut Feb 15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJX5d0TF0i4#ws)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 15, 2015, 09:53:47 AM
ID - I watched that vid before and again. That looks so awesome. Just the sound of initial startup gets my blood pumping.

That looked like a private airfield in someone's back yard. Lots of nice houses around there.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 15, 2015, 05:40:44 PM
ID - I watched that vid before and again. That looks so awesome. Just the sound of initial startup gets my blood pumping.

That looked like a private airfield in someone's back yard. Lots of nice houses around there.

Yep....nothing like the start of a turbine to get your blood pumping.   For a pilot though, it actually requires 100% attention.  If you introduce fuel at the wrong time or the battery is not strong enough to spin up properly, it can cause what they call a "hot start".    Pretty high dollar event....like nice sports car expensive to fix.   Yep....you are basically chewing crackers the whole time. 

Been missing those times more and more lately.....  But I still dont think it is in the cards for me to be doing much flying these days.   Kinda sucks....but it is just one of the things I have to accept.  I am exploring some options, but I just dont see paying 560/hr to go burn holes in the sky.  (what it would cost me to 'rent' one)


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On the cut front.....all is well.   I am passing into that point where I have always stopped.   It starts to get hard from here.  I have not stepped on the scale in 3 weeks, and I just determined to see this through.   Might take a week or two break (been dieting 8 weeks at this point)  and then finish off strong for spring.   I have no idea how far this will go....or how long I am going to last from here on out.

I have my yearly physical on thurs.   Be interesting to see where everything is at.  Dont think I have ever gone into a yearly in a deficit.   Thinking my BUN will be sky high with the amount of protein intake coupled with breakdown.... weill see.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 15, 2015, 07:37:56 PM
ID - I watched that vid before and again. That looks so awesome. Just the sound of initial startup gets my blood pumping.

That looked like a private airfield in someone's back yard. Lots of nice houses around there.

Yep....nothing like the start of a turbine to get your blood pumping.   For a pilot though, it actually requires 100% attention.  If you introduce fuel at the wrong time or the battery is not strong enough to spin up properly, it can cause what they call a "hot start".    Pretty high dollar event....like nice sports car expensive to fix.   Yep....you are basically chewing crackers the whole time. 

Been missing those times more and more lately.....  But I still dont think it is in the cards for me to be doing much flying these days.   Kinda sucks....but it is just one of the things I have to accept.  I am exploring some options, but I just dont see paying 560/hr to go burn holes in the sky.  (what it would cost me to 'rent' one)


I'll take your word for that. I don't ever see myself being able afford even a ride in one, but I would love to.


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On the cut front.....all is well.   I am passing into that point where I have always stopped.   It starts to get hard from here.  I have not stepped on the scale in 3 weeks, and I just determined to see this through.   Might take a week or two break (been dieting 8 weeks at this point)  and then finish off strong for spring.   I have no idea how far this will go....or how long I am going to last from here on out.

I have my yearly physical on thurs.   Be interesting to see where everything is at.  Dont think I have ever gone into a yearly in a deficit.   Thinking my BUN will be sky high with the amount of protein intake coupled with breakdown.... weill see.

Why stop now? I know it's difficult ( I can't seem to stick with it ), but if you've been doing so well why not just take it a little further and see what you can do?




Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 15, 2015, 07:55:11 PM

Why stop now? I know it's difficult ( I can't seem to stick with it ), but if you've been doing so well why not just take it a little further and see what you can do? [/b][/size]



I am not stopping.   I think the small break would be good to help keep my metabolism up.   It helps hormonally.  I can handle the mental part, I just am afraid of 'overdieting' a little.   I dont want to come out of this with a super slow metabolism.   I could just jack my thyroid up sky high, but that will cost a lot of muscle since I am only taking normal TRT doses.   Bodybuilders who cut with thyroid meds, do so only when on a cycle.   

My thyroid got screwed up in my accident which led to my TRT (both are pitutary stimulated and the head injury is thought to be the root cause of both)  and I have been on meds for almost a year, but I was so paranoid of losing too much muscle on a deficit, I brought my meds down to what my starting dose was.   I will get a good idea if that was necessary when I get my bloodwork as they will do a full thyroid panel on me.   The bad part of what I did by lowering my dose, is possibly make fat loss harder.     In the end, I have cut successfully when I was hypo-thyroid and did not know it....so worst case is, I just wont loose as fast as I could have.

I know I could play with some of this stuff to get better results, but my fear of screwing up, is keeping me pretty conservative.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 16, 2015, 09:17:43 AM
Ok, now I understand. That all makes sense. That's a lot of stuff to be juggling around on top of the change in diet too.

Best of luck with everything.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 16, 2015, 12:04:57 PM
194.6 this morning.  That's 12 pounds since Jan 01 without any tracking.  I've also mixed in some serious cheats a couple of times.  Superbowl and Valentines day.  Doing good on keeping the extra stuff out of my diet for 90% of the time.  Back in my relax jeans vs my loose jeans, next will by my 33 inch instead of 34.  Probably need another 10 pounds before that is comfortable. 

I'll also probably need to start tracking, I'm guessing, after 10 more pounds.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 17, 2015, 07:53:13 PM
Great to see I still have some company in this thread :)

Took this tonight cold.   (I think legs look better cold, but you dont get all the veins).

It is stuff like this that keeps me going when mentally I start having trouble.   Midsection is thinning out too, but not at the level of the legs yet.

legs 2 17 2015 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb6OvdkCBhc#ws)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Little Tim on February 17, 2015, 09:49:26 PM
Confession time.

I really suck at cutting fat.

I'm about 2 weeks out from my first goal and haven't made any significant progress in that direction.  Haven't lost ground either,  so that's good.

So many small decisions that lead to this mediocrity.  The desire is there,  yet the actions do not reflect the goal.

Time to refocus.  Adjust goals, timeline, and start over again.  Keep on keeping on.

Thanks for listening.  Not making excuses,  just focusing on where I went wrong and correcting things to move in a better direction.  Training,  cardio, and nutrition are all accounted for today.  Doing it again tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on February 18, 2015, 11:37:19 AM
You aren't the Lone Ranger Little Tim.

I have been out of commission for 2 weeks now. Getting back at it slowly but diet has been shit. Being sick you just don't feel like eating much at all. Lost a few lbs from not eating and still weak. Finally feeling better and getting back at it. Got 5.5 weeks left in the challenge so no time to waste in making up for the past 2 weeks!

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on February 18, 2015, 11:54:04 AM
Confession time.

I really suck at cutting fat.

I'm about 2 weeks out from my first goal and haven't made any significant progress in that direction.  Haven't lost ground either,  so that's good.

So many small decisions that lead to this mediocrity.  The desire is there,  yet the actions do not reflect the goal.

Time to refocus.  Adjust goals, timeline, and start over again.  Keep on keeping on.

Thanks for listening.  Not making excuses,  just focusing on where I went wrong and correcting things to move in a better direction.  Training,  cardio, and nutrition are all accounted for today.  Doing it again tomorrow.

Cutting is hard, as well as maintaining the weight after cutting, no doubt about it.... I got down to 238 before Christmas and I was 253 this morning  :o

I have definitely had more energy the past 7 weeks, and have made great progress on my lifts, but also had to loosen my lifting belt a notch. 

My plan at this point is to maintain till the end February and then start cutting again in March.





Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 18, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
Sorry to hear about the difficulties Nuh and Tim.   

There are a couple ways you can do this, both can work depending on your personality. 

You can go the full throttle ID way and be rigid from day 1.  Just will yourself through it accepting no excuses.  If you have that type of personality that can see the light at the end of a long term goal tunnel then this is your path.

Or you can start slow and ramp up, which is what I do.  I start with looking at my recent habits and pick 1 or 2 things I can cut out our change.  That leads to some easy victories...a few pounds or so.  That success inspires me to reach further and I make more adjustments.  I keep doing this and eventually I'm at the ID level of rigidly following a plan.  This works well for short term reward motivated people.

There are probably other ways to go too.  Just have to figure out what realistically works with your individual reward system. 

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on February 18, 2015, 01:22:38 PM
Sorry to hear about the difficulties Nuh and Tim.   

There are a couple ways you can do this, both can work depending on your personality. 

You can go the full throttle ID way and be rigid from day 1.  Just will yourself through it accepting no excuses.  If you have that type of personality that can see the light at the end of a long term goal tunnel then this is your path.

Or you can start slow and ramp up, which is what I do.  I start with looking at my recent habits and pick 1 or 2 things I can cut out our change.  That leads to some easy victories...a few pounds or so.  That success inspires me to reach further and I make more adjustments.  I keep doing this and eventually I'm at the ID level of rigidly following a plan.  This works well for short term reward motivated people.

There are probably other ways to go too.  Just have to figure out what realistically works with your individual reward system.

Mine was not really due to any other excuse besides the fact that I have been pretty sick. Flu, bronchitis and an ear infection all at once. So not that I have been intentionally slacking just that I have felt like pure shit! LOL!

And I am not one to just ease into something. I am pretty much about to go ballz to the wall for these next 5 weeks and just get shit done! :D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 18, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
Glad you are feeling better now.  And, ballz out works for some. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 18, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
193.2 this morning.  Actually had to force myself to eat late last night.  Stomach definitely shrinking. 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 19, 2015, 02:13:34 PM

Yearly physical today....and was forced to step on a scale.  It has been over 3 weeks, maybe 4 since I stopped weighing in.   (I did not like the mental stress).   Well, I confirmed my worst fears.....I have passed out of the "man" zone (200+lbs) and am back in the "skinny b!tches" zone ;).   203lbs with clothes on and shoes, is all I had to see.   So I am officially in the "190's" again

To be honest, I knew that I had a lot of fat....but again, not many including myself want to be realistic about just how much there is.  I think we all get attached to a certain scale number, and for me dropping below 200lbs is a mental blow.  But, I know it is a necessary one....   

On a good note, I just became a much more competitive powerlifter with that little drop. ;)  Still able to push a 1600lb total and now safely in 198's.   Now if I were motivated to compete :D  (where is Bando for a good kick in the ass when you need it?)  Oh yea....you wont find him in a "cutting" thread!  :D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 19, 2015, 02:18:53 PM
I was 159.8 this morning. I have a lot of fat left on me though. I think in order for me to see any noticable abs or cuts I would have to get down into at least the mid 140s.

You wanna talk about being in the "skinny bitch" zone?

(http://rs2img.memecdn.com/FML-horse_o_141347.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 19, 2015, 07:07:38 PM
192.2 this morning.  But I did have a piece of pizza and a piece of cake this afternoon for a retirement party at work.  I needed the fat anyway cause I've been way down on it lately. 

Man the sugar rush was immediate though after the cake.  Weird to feel that.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on February 19, 2015, 07:29:00 PM
192.2 this morning.  But I did have a piece of pizza and a piece of cake this afternoon for a retirement party at work.  I needed the fat anyway cause I've been way down on it lately. 

Man the sugar rush was immediate though after the cake.  Weird to feel that.

Yep, that and alcohol. I cut out drinking for 5 months two years ago dropping weight. Went out with my co-workers on a Thursday night to celebrate a successful audit. Had one, I repeat ONE, turkey and coke. Room started spinning in about 15 mins and I had already eaten a couple chicken strips. Was seriously buzzed on one mixed drink.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on February 19, 2015, 09:54:09 PM
192.2 this morning.  But I did have a piece of pizza and a piece of cake this afternoon for a retirement party at work.  I needed the fat anyway cause I've been way down on it lately. 

Man the sugar rush was immediate though after the cake.  Weird to feel that.

I noticed that a couple times in the past when I gave up all sweets for a long time. I had one of those lava cakes with ice cream on the side and about 2/3 of the way through it I started feeling all weird and thought I was gonna pass out.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 21, 2015, 11:05:45 AM


Hey all....just bumping this thread for relevance.
http://www.iron-sanctuary.com/forums/index.php?topic=1643.15 (http://www.iron-sanctuary.com/forums/index.php?topic=1643.15)

I was looking back at my logs and realized I have to point this out again and share it.   I dont know if anyone is following along in the cut thread....but I am down 30lbs in 7 weeks.  I am still holding decent strength, and I am not on any kind of AAS besides my normal TRT.

So do the math.....30lbs (take away 8-10lbs for glycogen and water drop) and you have a 20lb loss in 7 weeks.   Yep....almost 3 lbs a week.   I am not starving myself either.  (only tracking protein though).    But no way I am eating a 1500 cal deficit.

Just wanting to share....
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on February 21, 2015, 11:33:49 AM
That is amazing progress ID.  The last time I checked my BP, I was borderline HBP.  I'd be afraid of using ECY for those reasons.  I don't even want to know what my BP would be after doing a max set of squats.   :o
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on February 21, 2015, 05:29:34 PM


Hey all....just bumping this thread for relevance.
[url]http://www.iron-sanctuary.com/forums/index.php?topic=1643.15[/url] ([url]http://www.iron-sanctuary.com/forums/index.php?topic=1643.15[/url])

I was looking back at my logs and realized I have to point this out again and share it.   I dont know if anyone is following along in the cut thread....but I am down 30lbs in 7 weeks.  I am still holding decent strength, and I am not on any kind of AAS besides my normal TRT.

So do the math.....30lbs (take away 8-10lbs for glycogen and water drop) and you have a 20lb loss in 7 weeks.   Yep....almost 3 lbs a week.   I am not starving myself either.  (only tracking protein though).    But no way I am eating a 1500 cal deficit.

Just wanting to share....


I'm on the EC plan.  Avoiding the Y due to your warnings and I just don't have enough knowledge to go that route at this point.  Still, my weight loss recently has been pretty fast and i have not noticed any difference while training.   I'm not tracking intake either.  Just cut out the junk and doing prepared meals instead of grabbing something while at work.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on February 26, 2015, 12:21:28 PM
Bump ditty bump bump :D

Still plugging away!  Changes coming in nice right now. Midsection is finally feeling that 'granular' feeling (when the sub-q starts to break down). When you pinch the skin, you can kinda feel little lumps in there. I know from past experience this means it is dropping. One sure sign is when I bend over, my skin now goes into little tiny folds across my stomach (10-12 little rolls instead of 2 or 3 big folds).

Cant see in this pic, but I have new vascularity all on the sides of my legs. Hammies are separated from glutes completely. Can even see the the individual glue with some pretty deep cuts. (yea....I'll spare you guys that one  But when I saw it in the mirror....I was like DAMN that is freaky looking)

On a funny note, by far my worst bodypart (my calves) dont look nearly as bad leaned out. While they are still puny....at least their development shows a little.

I am into the tough part for me..... This is normally where I quit. I get happy with decent abs and being 'fit' looking....but I am not stopping. I am going to push on and see this through.

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/522af212-d41c-458b-91de-975ba2adafe8_zpsbjcf3so6.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on March 02, 2015, 10:14:03 AM
Time to get back on the wagon......

On December 13th I hit 238.  Today I weighed in at 257.   Between getting sick over the holidays, being lax on my food tracking and not being able to run/bike outside much this winter, I've backslid quite a bit.  I've made some good gains strength wise and my arm's are bigger than they ever have been, but I've also put on plenty of fat and it's time to fix that.

Back to tracking my food closely, and if I can't get outside to run/bike because of the weather, I will use the spin bike at home.  No excuse not to get this done!

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on March 02, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
Started the yr at #249 and yesterday morning hit #229, looking to drop another 15+ and then will see where I stand and what I need to do.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 03, 2015, 08:11:38 AM
Good to see all those still at it.

I am hanging in there.....  Shit is happening fast now.   Kinda scary.   I can see changes every few days.   Really tough mentally and physically at this point.   Not sure if I need a little break.  May take a weekend off or something and just get a good carb up session.   Been just over 8 weeks now.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on March 03, 2015, 12:24:24 PM
My cut went to shit these past 7 days or so from running back and forth to the hospital/home and odd eating hours.
Was back on it yesterday and today and will continue until I get where I want to be.

I'll see how bad the damage was when I weigh myself in a bit.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on March 03, 2015, 01:49:32 PM
My cut went to shit these past 7 days or so from running back and forth to the hospital/home and odd eating hours.
Was back on it yesterday and today and will continue until I get where I want to be.

I'll see how bad the damage was when I weigh myself in a bit.

Mine too. I've been sick and when I'm sick I eat with no concern for the outcome. Add to that the not working out and it's a recipe for disaster.

Oh well, I'll get back on the horse when I'm feeling better.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 03, 2015, 03:12:27 PM

Pre workout meal.... Living the dream! ;)

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/2015-03-03%2013.24.54_zpsghcll7yl.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on March 03, 2015, 03:38:20 PM
My cut went to shit these past 7 days or so from running back and forth to the hospital/home and odd eating hours.
Was back on it yesterday and today and will continue until I get where I want to be.

I'll see how bad the damage was when I weigh myself in a bit.

Eh, not as bad as I thought it would be, 206. So, since I ate way more carbs than normal over the past 7 days it should drop off nicely.
Still, looking forward to sub 200 in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on March 09, 2015, 02:37:45 PM
First week back at it.  Was 252 this weekend, so down 5 lbs the first week.  That water weight is awesome.

I'm back to tracking the calories more tightly, and now that the winter is starting to end, I'm able to get some running in, and I've been hitting the spin bike at home more.   I'm better at sticking to the calorie deficit when I do some cardio to up my food intake.  I know it's all in my head, but I feel better eating 3,200 and burning 500 calories doing cardio than just eating 2,700.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: peacesells on March 10, 2015, 06:18:30 AM
Stopped cutting and stopped the EC stack for awhile.  Even stopped lifting.  Got real sick.  Think I over did it with the cut.  I was going full tilt.  I get that way...ramp up slowly and then there is no stopping me.  Well, unless I get sick.

Pretty much over it now.  I've done just push ups and pull ups the past few days.  Taking a weeks trip to Vegas starting tomorrow.  Once I get back..on full cut again along with the EC stack.  I'll just need to remember to take a week off every few weeks.

Good new is...so far I've only gained 1 pound.   192.8 yesterday morning.  Started at 206.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 10, 2015, 07:34:39 AM
Still at it too!

Heck....at this point, not many updates other than passing the time in 'jail'...... 
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on March 10, 2015, 07:40:44 AM
Still at it myself. Down 1 stupid pound. 203
This happened before when I lost a bunch of weight and I hope that's what's going on again. <-- Weight slows or stalls even for a week or so and then BAM all of a sudden I'm down 3-4lbs.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on March 12, 2015, 06:40:12 PM
I'm getting pretty ridiculous again (like my avatar). Gonna drop maybe another pound or two between now and April 17th (best guess is I'll go to Kansas City 4/17 if/when ANW happens). My goal is for the announcers to say "somebody get that guy a sandwich"
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 12, 2015, 08:51:17 PM
I'm getting pretty ridiculous again (like my avatar). Gonna drop maybe another pound or two between now and April 17th (best guess is I'll go to Kansas City 4/17 if/when ANW happens). My goal is for the announcers to say "somebody get that guy a sandwich"

They can say that while you are hanging sideways! :D

Still in utter amazement of what you do man!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on March 13, 2015, 05:20:07 PM
Stuck between #227-228 right now, the scale will move eventually as it does this everytime. Like to be down to #210 or so before vacation in may, course it's going to be so hot and humid there  both my wife & I will probably shed pounds like crazy.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 15, 2015, 12:35:23 PM
First glitch......

Woke up this am with a 102 fever.   My son missed 3 days school last week sick and I think I got it.   Have not been sick in a few years.....

Being sick is the only thing I cant stand.   Gonna bundle up and fry this shit out of me!!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BigDaddy on March 17, 2015, 01:47:34 PM
Still cranking along with my cut since the beginning of March.  I've been good about being within 150 calories of goal and am making progress.  Was 249 this morning, so down another 3 lbs so far. 

It's amazing how little weight change it takes to make a big difference in vascularity and definition.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on March 19, 2015, 08:13:11 AM
Finally, FINALLY, hit 200lbs. Dropped cals down a bit more, nothing drastic for me.
Going to be challenging in two weeks when I'm traveling for work the entire week of March 30, not only from an eating perspective but also getting the 531 lifts in. Thinking of going right into the next cycle and then deload the following week instead of next week.

Guestimating from last time I really cut down that I've got at least another 15lbs to go to be where I want to be.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on March 20, 2015, 08:40:54 PM
keep it up guys. Spring is here. Summer is coming.

I'm on track to peak for mid April so if ANW sends me to KC (4/17-18). I'm going to look sharp (and hopefully destroy their course too). Quick prog gif from tonight. Cold, Flat, and No water management/voodoo.

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t427/bbcmo/32015_zpsflkh9wgd.gif)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on March 20, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
Holy shit you're a monster
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on March 20, 2015, 08:50:14 PM
Shredded!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 21, 2015, 12:34:35 PM
Man...looking good!   Just always amazed at the shape you stay in.   Pretty cool gif too!



As for me....Im still going.....  SICK as shit...all week.

Again, I never get sick....but when I do...it is good.   Last time was almost 3 years ago and first time in my life going to a dr for being sick.  I was deadlifting and realized I could no longer breathe good.   When I got in his office, I found out I had double pnumonia.   I missed one workout ;)


This time:
Sunday had a 103+ fever (knocked down to 102 on motrin)
Mon 101.5 (on motrin)  Took day off gym
Tues 101 (no motrin)  Went to gym for legs.  Tried to go light and almost blacked out several times.  Was thinking getting bloodflow would help...but didnt.
Wed. 100.5  Bronchititus set in BAD.  Full gym session.   Did light weight (when not coughing).   Actually felt good but chest hurt bad
Thu Still low grade fever.   Took off gym (planned off day).   Rested all day.  Cough terrible
Fri: Fever still over 100 at night.  Full blown bronchitus, cough is starting to actually move stuff.  Workout was good...but did not push hard.


Today....no real fever....but cough is going pretty hard...BUT it is moving big chunks of stuff out of my lungs!!!!   Gonna rest all weekend, and hopefully shake cough.

I stopped EC when this first hit but resumed when my fever broke as the bronkaid might actually help break this up.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on March 21, 2015, 12:49:23 PM
YIKES ID. Be careful brother. A little rest (ok maybe just a deload) and an extra sauna or two, would probably jump start your recovery.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on March 21, 2015, 05:58:45 PM
Cut started toda...

err starts tomorrow  :-[

(http://i.imgur.com/9Di3xHjl.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on March 21, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
negged for posting delicious, high-calorie, pizza pictures in the cutting thread.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on March 21, 2015, 08:59:44 PM
An even #226 this morning, still #16 to reach my goal and then re-evaluate the situation to see what I need to do.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 24, 2015, 01:40:16 PM
Aint no Cmoore.....but chipping away at years of stubborn fat is coming along.   Finishing my 3rd month of dieting and going to continue.  I slowed it down a little here.   I am getting pretty lean all over....just the torso that is still holding on.   I am going to keep it going till I can even out nicely.

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/1a24acaf-3e73-4ae2-9a9f-adabefb2a2fe_zpsve8ayl6p.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Fiend_73 on March 24, 2015, 02:54:55 PM
cmoore - very impressive as usual, much respect.
Every other ninja is fat compared to you.

ID- that's a lotta fat lost and you can do the laundry on them intercostals. Great work!
Knowing how you lean out your legs must be veiny as shit right now, huh?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 24, 2015, 04:14:06 PM

ID- that's a lotta fat lost and you can do the laundry on them intercostals. Great work!
Knowing how you lean out your legs must be veiny as shit right now, huh?

Yea....my legs are freaky looking now.   Every morning when I am standing there brushing my teeth it looks like worms all over my legs.  (something about standing first thing am...dont know why it is more pronounced then).    Even my shins have veins now ;)   Pretty weird looking but does a lot for shape.   Everything flows better.


My midsection still has a ways to go.  But the skin is finally thinning out.   As I said, it is not great, but I am happy to see progress.   This is humbling....but I need to do it for me.   I want to reach a point.  "THAT point"...where you just know you are there.   I keep getting guys asking me if I am doing a contest in the gym.   

The single biggest thing that I like is the waist drop.   It does wonders for taper...etc.   I dont have a narrow waist but I am blessed with a lot of shoulder /back mass.   When I drop my waist away, I start to look very different.   I start to look like a "bodybuilder".   It feels good and I dont see myself wanting to go back up in waist size.   
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Nuh on March 24, 2015, 05:21:36 PM
cmoore: your level of shreddedness never ceases to amaze me!

ID:you don't look to me like ya got much more fat on that torso.

Both of ya are looking good!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: kimm4 on March 24, 2015, 05:46:09 PM
I'm not going to quote everyone but...

Bando, you're killin me with that pizza!  >:(

Cmoore isn't human, ID leaning out nicely and Greg is till going at it!  8)

I dropped a quick 6 lbs and now I'm stuck.  It happens everytime I hit my fuggin diet.  It takes a good 2-3 weeks before it starts moving again.

Anyhoo I continue to plug along...


Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on March 25, 2015, 12:11:48 PM
Thanks Dana and Kimm. Too kind.

I must be getting close, starting to have the induced anorexic like thought patterns. Actually felt like I was being bad while just considering/planning the today's meals (considering a carb up).
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 25, 2015, 08:18:24 PM

Knowing how you lean out your legs must be veiny as shit right now, huh?


Snapped  a current pic of the legs "cold" tonight at the gym.   As I was saying.....wish the rest of my body would catch up to them.  Heck...I even have shin veins now ;)
I got all 'artsy' and snapped a few b&w.

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/8ea567dd-ce8d-454c-bced-0e8d91f646ff_zpsqm0tolhv.jpg)

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/FullSizeRender_zpscujn04ct.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on March 25, 2015, 08:37:58 PM
nice feathering on the vastus lateralis
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 01, 2015, 06:37:40 PM
Still chipping away. Most of my skin is ridiculous (even cut my pec with a towel drying off today) but there's a couple sticky spots lagging behind. Not so much fat as just water retention I think.  8weeks now...I got time.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on April 03, 2015, 11:36:33 AM
I'm not to the point of having skin thn enough to get cut by cotten ^^^ (I could likely still take a bullet  ;D ) but down to about 192 from 222 in about 16 weeks. Things are moving a lot more slowly now, strength has been okay have not lost too much. Diet is pretty bare bones right now at about 2000 Cals (down from 2200) and macros of about 250-260p/65-75f. Now I just need to spend more time in the deficit I think...
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on April 03, 2015, 03:17:52 PM
Yep....getting cut by a towel.....a new level of leanness ;)

I have to say I am noticing some of the downsides of less cushion.   I can no longer kneel.   It just hurts too much.   Forget trying to walk on my knees.   I had to get a pair of knee pads as I could not take even working on my knees for a little bit.

I see little babies scamper around and know why they have all that cushion in places ;)

The other thing that is hard to describe is the feeling more fragile (sepecially in the wrist area).   It is like I can strain things easier for sure.

I am starting to integrate more volume into my workouts as I just cant keep up with the demands of lifting so heavy every workout.  I am wondering if this might mean I eventually have to change my overall training.   

Lifting for power/mass, I have done well the last 4 years just doing 4 days/week.   I actually did the first 1.5 years at 3days/week.

I dont know that I can push myself hard enough in only a few workouts a week at this point.   I am going to examine this as time goes on.....but I am feeling far less invincible now and definitely almost fragile.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on April 04, 2015, 12:05:45 AM
Why cut so low?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on April 05, 2015, 08:35:16 AM
Why cut so low?


If directs to me, I started out with an aggressive deficit of 2200 cals/day which kept things at a pretty consisyent 2lbs/week after the initial 8lb water loss was done. Over time through lower bodyweight and metabolic adaptations to the lower intake the body becomes more efficient with calories I.e burns less fuel. So 2200 was no longer providing me with enough scale loss to keep me happy. I am already doing mild cardio so increasing that isn't really an option I want, so the only other thing to do is lower intake.

When I'm done I plan to slowly bring the calories back up (reverse diet) to hopefully get my metabolism humming along again without gaining much fat.

I could have started the deficit slower and gradually decreased intake over time, but I'm not sure if the effect would have been any different really, and I would likely not be as far along as I am, although I woulld likely be eating more right now. Lots of ways to get to the same end point, some are better than others I'm sure but this is the way I went this time. Hopefully next time I cut I won't be carrying as much fat and can make smaller adjustments.

    This is where I'm at depleted and no pump at 193ish I'm guessing mid teens bodyfat? Able to look better pumped and when the water balance is on point.

(http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q692/diced01/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsvszevhja.jpg) (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/diced01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsvszevhja.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on April 05, 2015, 08:42:25 AM
Yep....getting cut by a towel.....a new level of leanness ;)

I have to say I am noticing some of the downsides of less cushion.   I can no longer kneel.   It just hurts too much.   Forget trying to walk on my knees.   I had to get a pair of knee pads as I could not take even working on my knees for a little bit.

I see little babies scamper around and know why they have all that cushion in places ;)

The other thing that is hard to describe is the feeling more fragile (sepecially in the wrist area).   It is like I can strain things easier for sure.

I am starting to integrate more volume into my workouts as I just cant keep up with the demands of lifting so heavy every workout.  I am wondering if this might mean I eventually have to change my overall training.   

Lifting for power/mass, I have done well the last 4 years just doing 4 days/week.   I actually did the first 1.5 years at 3days/week.

I dont know that I can push myself hard enough in only a few workouts a week at this point.   I am going to examine this as time goes on.....but I am feeling far less invincible now and definitely almost fragile.

I think the potential for injury is likely higher, especially when staying pretty dry, it just seems like there would be less fluid overall for cushioning the moving parts. I don't spend much time on my knees but noticed sitting on hard surfaces hurts my ass more, I don't carry much fat there anyway, but it's got less padding now.

I noticed more stamina loss than strength loss so far too. Im also eating very few carbs but that doesn't seem to effect me as much as just the overall lower intake. After 1-2 heavy sets I start tanking at that weight and usually back off to 80% 1 rep max for additional work on squats, bench, etc. deads have lost a little more ground (10% or so) but I have also been keeping form tighter after straining a facet joint by just trying to rip the bar off the floor at any cost, so I blame some of that loss on being a little smarter about keeping form tight.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on April 05, 2015, 10:36:07 AM
Plateau, I was directing it more towards I_D. Cutting until a towel can cut you seems excessive lol
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 06, 2015, 01:43:25 PM
Yep....getting cut by a towel.....a new level of leanness ;)

I have to say I am noticing some of the downsides of less cushion.   I can no longer kneel.   It just hurts too much.   Forget trying to walk on my knees.   I had to get a pair of knee pads as I could not take even working on my knees for a little bit.

I see little babies scamper around and know why they have all that cushion in places ;)

The other thing that is hard to describe is the feeling more fragile (sepecially in the wrist area).   It is like I can strain things easier for sure.

I am starting to integrate more volume into my workouts as I just cant keep up with the demands of lifting so heavy every workout.  I am wondering if this might mean I eventually have to change my overall training.   

Lifting for power/mass, I have done well the last 4 years just doing 4 days/week.   I actually did the first 1.5 years at 3days/week.

I dont know that I can push myself hard enough in only a few workouts a week at this point.   I am going to examine this as time goes on.....but I am feeling far less invincible now and definitely almost fragile.

There's definitely decreased durability at the lower body fat %. I notice less "elasticity" of sorts in my tendons. That may be why I gravitate toward higher frequency training, the fatigue state is somewhat protective in that I'm not quite recovered to full strength so it's harder to tear connective tissue.

Cali: that's me with the towel. That's not my goal exactly but I want to show up with the most amount of lean body mass and power I can for the least amount of body weight. I would like to be a featherweight monster come showtime. The lower weight will help me in the hanging/swinging obstacles, and well, being completely shredded may be interesting enough for viewers to talk about me (and that could help with fundraising--go viral).
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on April 06, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
Why cut so low?


If directs to me, I started out with an aggressive deficit of 2200 cals/day which kept things at a pretty consisyent 2lbs/week after the initial 8lb water loss was done. Over time through lower bodyweight and metabolic adaptations to the lower intake the body becomes more efficient with calories I.e burns less fuel. So 2200 was no longer providing me with enough scale loss to keep me happy. I am already doing mild cardio so increasing that isn't really an option I want, so the only other thing to do is lower intake.

When I'm done I plan to slowly bring the calories back up (reverse diet) to hopefully get my metabolism humming along again without gaining much fat.

I could have started the deficit slower and gradually decreased intake over time, but I'm not sure if the effect would have been any different really, and I would likely not be as far along as I am, although I woulld likely be eating more right now. Lots of ways to get to the same end point, some are better than others I'm sure but this is the way I went this time. Hopefully next time I cut I won't be carrying as much fat and can make smaller adjustments.

    This is where I'm at depleted and no pump at 193ish I'm guessing mid teens bodyfat? Able to look better pumped and when the water balance is on point.

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Looking Good Man
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on April 06, 2015, 02:50:22 PM
Thanks Bando, slow goings now. The fat from the navel down is just hanging on, I'm almost ready for fillet knife and shop-vac home lipo suction treatment  :o I just adjusted my cals down, so hoping for some renewed progress.

Cmoore, have you done any research on bodyfat levels you run year round and fat soluble vitamins etc? Just curious, its my understanding that 6% and up is "safe" but just wondering becuase obviously with such low fat overall there wouldn't be many places to "put them".

Anyway I'm finding new love for coconut oil, I stopped using it for awhile becuase I had trouble making it fit into my fat macro. Since putting it back in last week I'm noticing almost amazing satiation from it, and I can actually feel the difference in energy after 8-14g (unless its placebo)..Whatever I just about melted the soles off my shoes going for a walk at lunch, and that was after a great morning weights session ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 06, 2015, 03:15:12 PM
Cmoore, have you done any research on bodyfat levels you run year round and fat soluble vitamins etc? Just curious, its my understanding that 6% and up is "safe" but just wondering becuase obviously with such low fat overall there wouldn't be many places to "put them".

Anyway I'm finding new love for coconut oil, I stopped using it for awhile becuase I had trouble making it fit into my fat macro. Since putting it back in last week I'm noticing almost amazing satiation from it, and I can actually feel the difference in energy after 8-14g (unless its placebo)..Whatever I just about melted the soles off my shoes going for a walk at lunch, and that was after a great morning weights session ;D

I think I carry more fat than you give me credit for  ;). I don't know that I'm under 6 much, if ever. Without a d-scan, we'll never know but I would guesstimate that I range from 6-8 throughout the year. For sure I'm leaner than most people that I run into and I seem as or more lean than the local gym's bodybuilders on their show day. That being said, I haven't had much issue with sickness or what not (even with 4 kids going to 4 different schools). I think if I had a deficiency of sorts, I'd have fallen apart by now.

Awesome to hear about the coconut oil.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on April 06, 2015, 03:19:45 PM
Have any of you had a DXA Scan done?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 06, 2015, 03:36:59 PM
Have any of you had a DXA Scan done?

I've been floated, pinched, and impeded numerous times but never dexa.

Honestly there's not much bang for the buck in knowing your BF%. It doesn't change who/what you are nor should it influence your training. Knowing your true BF is a novelty at best, IMHO.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on April 06, 2015, 03:39:13 PM
Have any of you had a DXA Scan done?

I've been floated, pinched, and impeded numerous times but never dexa.

Honestly there's not much bang for the buck in knowing your BF%. It doesn't change who/what you are nor should it influence your training. Knowing your true BF is a novelty at best, IMHO.

They're doing them for $40 near me, it's kinda interesting to use as a precise yardstick of sorts
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on April 07, 2015, 01:14:41 PM
180 yesterday, 170 before Memorial day, should not be too difficult. Cut started in earnest yesterday, I do want to get a squat PR before I get too far and the strength dwindles.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on April 08, 2015, 08:20:57 AM
157.2 about 10 days ago. Then came Easter vacation and eating whatever I want - 161 yesterday morning. 160.4 this morning and sitting here eating chocolate peanut butter cookies. Mmmmm Mmmmm

I'll really try to cut one day, but that day is not today.  ;)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: birdiefu on April 08, 2015, 11:37:51 PM
157.2 about 10 days ago. Then came Easter vacation and eating whatever I want - 161 yesterday morning. 160.4 this morning and sitting here eating chocolate peanut butter cookies. Mmmmm Mmmmm

I'll really try to cut one day, but that day is not today.  ;)

Haha, I hear you - many reeses in my belly (OMG the giant eggs are wonderful) over Easter times. First part of my cut ended about a week prior, so I held on to maintenance for most of the week. Then Easter :D. Now reigning it in a bit before I start meet week prep where I will be virtually carbless anyhow. Then will probably have more post-meet stuff face fun times, and part-2 of cut will commence *sigh*.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on April 09, 2015, 06:59:37 AM
157.2 about 10 days ago. Then came Easter vacation and eating whatever I want - 161 yesterday morning. 160.4 this morning and sitting here eating chocolate peanut butter cookies. Mmmmm Mmmmm

I'll really try to cut one day, but that day is not today.  ;)

Haha, I hear you - many reeses in my belly (OMG the giant eggs are wonderful) over Easter times. First part of my cut ended about a week prior, so I held on to maintenance for most of the week. Then Easter :D. Now reigning it in a bit before I start meet week prep where I will be virtually carbless anyhow. Then will probably have more post-meet stuff face fun times, and part-2 of cut will commence *sigh*.

It really is a never ending battle. I was real serious about it at one point and was restricting everything I really like eating. Then I realized that it didn't mean enough to me to shed all the fat if I couldn't enjoy the simple things. I'll never have a 6 pack or striations and veins popping but I'll enjoy the hell out of that giant burger topped with shredded prime rib, and those steak fries.  :jester:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: 43Diesel on April 09, 2015, 07:30:10 AM
but I'll enjoy the hell out of that giant burger topped with shredded prime rib, and those steak fries.  :jester:

Amen brother!!!!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 11, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
It really is a never ending battle. I was real serious about it at one point and was restricting everything I really like eating. Then I realized that it didn't mean enough to me to shed all the fat if I couldn't enjoy the simple things. I'll never have a 6 pack or striations and veins popping but I'll enjoy the hell out of that giant burger topped with shredded prime rib, and those steak fries.  :jester:

Good for you. SRS. Me, I'd rather be shredded than eat but then food's just not that satisfying to me anymore.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 13, 2015, 04:48:22 PM
Can't figure this one out, but seriously craving Nutmeg for last several days (and I never get cravings--ever).

Tried looking it up to see what deficiency might drive this but couldn't really find anything. Apparently nutmeg can bump serotonin but I get a ton of B vitamins and tryptophan in my diet.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on April 13, 2015, 04:54:40 PM
Can't figure this one out, but seriously craving Nutmeg for last several days (and I never get cravings--ever).

Tried looking it up to see what deficiency might drive this but couldn't really find anything. Apparently nutmeg can bump serotonin but I get a ton of B vitamins and tryptophan in my diet.

Any ideas?

Maybe you just want nutmeg lol
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on April 13, 2015, 05:36:30 PM
Can't figure this one out, but seriously craving Nutmeg for last several days (and I never get cravings--ever).

Tried looking it up to see what deficiency might drive this but couldn't really find anything. Apparently nutmeg can bump serotonin but I get a ton of B vitamins and tryptophan in my diet.

Any ideas?

High in trace metals. Manganese @ 41% recommended levels. Also has copper and magnesium.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 13, 2015, 08:33:46 PM
Maybe you just want nutmeg lol

I've thought about that but I never crave anything. And I don't know that I like the flavor all that much.



High in trace metals. Manganese @ 41% recommended levels. Also has copper and magnesium.

Manganese is interesting. I haven't been eating much cinnamon of late and a quick scan of other mang sources (grains,fruits, nuts, leafy greens) makes me think maybe I could be a little low...Thanks!

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on April 13, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
Maybe you just want nutmeg lol

I've thought about that but I never crave anything. And I don't know that I like the flavor all that much.



High in trace metals. Manganese @ 41% recommended levels. Also has copper and magnesium.

Manganese is interesting. I haven't been eating much cinnamon of late and a quick scan of other mang sources (grains,fruits, nuts, leafy greens) makes me think maybe I could be a little low...Thanks!

No problem. I had a vitamin D deficiency but the Dr also told me to make sure I got manganese too (not a big veggie or fruit person). Remembered that nutmeg had it so I was sprinkling it on dishes.
WebMD: Manganese is an essential nutrient involved in many chemical processes in the body, including processing of cholesterol, carbohydrates, and protein.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Little Tim on April 13, 2015, 09:03:28 PM
Also can have hallucinations in the right amount of dosing.   

So, yeah, keep it to a light sprinkle.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on April 14, 2015, 12:34:41 PM
Also can have hallucinations in the right amount of dosing.   

So, yeah, keep it to a light sprinkle.


Thats funny!   I had a few experiences of that in college ;)

On a progress update, at least there is progress.   Midsection is finally shedding and I am seeing progress.   It is not "outstanding" but it is moving in the right direction.   The cool thing about this all is I have done all this cutting by 'instinct'.  No tracking or planing involved. 

This was kind of an experiment for me in way.  I know this probably would have been more efficient to do it in a planned manner, but I am looking to transition into more a lifestyle from here forward.  Part of my chosen path is not to feel I have to be a slave to a food scale.   While I do keep a mental note of relative protein levels, that is about it.   The rest is all "feel".   I am pretty happy with being able to have come this far, and this is a new level of confidence that I can "live" and still make my fitness goals.

Here is me this am holding just a touch of water.  Not the best for sure, but now seeing progress in an area that is toughest for me.  Rest of me is pretty lean.    While I dont have the prettiest midsection (abs shape are pretty much defined by genes) it is hard to argue that lifting heavy compounds does not build them.  The first pic, you can pretty clearly see mass especially in the upper abs (and I do zero direct ab work).
 
Going to go a little further and and then stop when  I finally thin out that last bit.  Total weigtht lost is almost 40lbs.

(http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu187/induced_drag/20d1074c-270e-4fcc-8364-d1954eec2d62_zpsgk154eoc.jpg)
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Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on April 14, 2015, 01:15:32 PM
Total weigtht lost is almost 40lbs.

Damn! Nice

I'm at 4lbs lost since last Monday, but I think being sick had a lot to do with it, though I ate and kept my liquids up :S
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 14, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Also can have hallucinations in the right amount of dosing.   

So, yeah, keep it to a light sprinkle.

Already dyspmorphic, got no time for hallucinations.

51 days to go.

On a progress update, at least there is progress.   Midsection is finally shedding and I am seeing progress.   It is not "outstanding" but it is moving in the right direction.   The cool thing about this all is I have done all this cutting by 'instinct'.  No tracking or planing involved. 

Nice work. That you're doing it instinctively is especially interesting. Will look forward to your final thoughts at conclusion.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on April 14, 2015, 07:08:19 PM
Hit an even #225 yesterday, coming off slow but that's fine with me. Total lost since the 2nd week of jan is right about #25 and still have at least 10 more to drop.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on April 15, 2015, 12:56:31 PM


Nice work. That you're doing it instinctively is especially interesting. Will look forward to your final thoughts at conclusion.

Funny, I spent 2+ years tracking and planning and was nervous that I would not know what to do if I stopped.   I stopped for over a year and had no trouble maintaining weight and or performance in the gym.

Then came the time to 'cut'.   This was an experiment to see if I could apply what I knew and see if I could take what I did in balancing my weight and consistently lose it.    It has worked....but I have learned a few things that I firmly believe more than ever now.

1) planning and tracking is the most efficient way to go about things and  will get you there in the most direct manner and with the greatest degree of confidence.  (it was "confidence" that was the most difficult.   Many many times I was second guessing myself in this  process.   But I got to the point where I said "fuk it!".   Worst thing that could happen  is I over diet and lose a little muscle.   Not really a big deal in the 'big picture'.

2)For guys that are still progressing, or significantly far from their goals, planning and tracking is well worth it.   To me, the more developed you are, the less likely it is that you are missing out on gains or progress by not dieting optimally.  (either surplus or deficit).    This is excluding contest dieting where you are trying to hit far below natural set points at which point, I think planning and tracking will come back into play. 

But for me.....I have to be honest and know I am not getting much bigger, and any strength gains are hard fought from here out.....Is it worth it for me to consume so much of my life (in expended effort and required thought) to eat specifically every day to within 5 g of a particular macro?   If I think this through....what is the potential pay-off.   Maybe the difference of a lb or 2 over a year?....  Negligible to say the least.    Same about goes with strength.   At some point, I dont really feel I need to prove anything to anyone and understand that my strength goals on any given day may be at odds with other goals I am pursuing.  (aesthetics as an example).    I know full well, I could just "eat up" and crush it in the gym numbers wise....but that does not do it for me.   

It is several things....and I am finding my balance now.  It took a while....but I think this is how I will go forward.   Maybe not constantly trying to push the numbers, maybe not the leanest guy on the planet....but I know I can do anything I want.   I just have to "want" it.  I dont expect much progress from here, because I am realistic......to think otherwise is just stupid and blind.   I have to make decisions based on diminishing returns.   For a while I was feeling the pressure to play 'catch-up' for many lost years.   That time is looong gone and I have surpassed any goal I initially set for myself.   My goals are now to be more "normal"....but doing it "my way" in my current state.

My changes from here out will be small and incremental.  Searching for new motivation in the 'little' things.   Maybe one day it is strength, maybe even a bodybuilding show some day.....I'm open.

I do know this.....I look forward to this summer more than ever.   I am going to have some beers with friends when the times arise, I am going to eat and enjoy life...all while keeping my other goals in balance.

It is with the help of many here that I have found my way here and I truly appreciate it......and have learned a little about each point of view and have come to accept and respect each one of our own personal goals.  Thanks guys....I have grown a lot, not just in muscular girth, but leaned a lot about myself and others in the process.

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on April 16, 2015, 07:33:35 AM
So I've been eating like total crap, hoagies, candy, cookies, pizza etc. Yet somehow I am losing weight. I was 162 about 10 days ago and this morning I weighed in at 157.2.

Mayby the BJJ has something to do with it, I don't know. All this is starting to make me really wonder what would happen if I actually tried to cut. :dunno:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Greg on April 18, 2015, 01:18:03 PM
Scale is bouncing back and forth between 222.5 & 223.5 so i'm splitting the difference and calling it #223. At least 8 more to go and then decision time.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 19, 2015, 03:07:54 PM
ID: thanks for sharing your insights. Always appreciate your thoughtful analysis

Sakustoms: sometimes your body fights back to try and keep a set point. Water movement can confuse things but eventually, that eating does catch up though. Eat to your goals (pleasure or performance). Props and support either way.

Greg: Nice work!

My cut is done. Down to a semi depleted 171  :o.   I feel ready with 46 days to go. Planning on calorie management to maintain and let my connective tissue catch up. This week I got my head back on straight and I proved to myself I didnt really lose any significant amount of strength. This week: Deads DOH 455, Bench 315, Lunge 365, Weighted Pullups 2xBW, my grip strength is way up and my jumps are getting easier and higher.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: birdiefu on April 20, 2015, 12:23:07 AM
ID: thanks for sharing your insights. Always appreciate your thoughtful analysis

Sakustoms: sometimes your body fights back to try and keep a set point. Water movement can confuse things but eventually, that eating does catch up though. Eat to your goals (pleasure or performance). Props and support either way.

Greg: Nice work!

My cut is done. Down to a semi depleted 171  :o.   I feel ready with 46 days to go. Planning on calorie management to maintain and let my connective tissue catch up. This week I got my head back on straight and I proved to myself I didnt really lose any significant amount of strength. This week: Deads DOH 455, Bench 315, Lunge 365, Weighted Pullups 2xBW, my grip strength is way up and my jumps are getting easier and higher.

Nice. Grip strength has a pretty close correlation with recovery, so if that is keeping steady or going up you are doing stuff right! Great job with the cut and I know how much hitting maintenance can often be harder than the actual cut.

I got pretty happy with all the foodz on my time at maintenance and more during meet weekend, so not really looking forward to starting cutting hard again tomorrow. But I know that once I get that positive feedback of cutting (measurement/scale decrease and definition changes) it gets easier. Soooo bloated right now from refeed friday to eating whatevers yesterday and today (mmm, waffles this morning!), plus my ability to put on water weight like a camel I am likely +25 lb since my friday AM weigh-in. Ok....just went to check and at weigh-in (with 2 lb of clothes) on Fri AM I was 163.4 to this moment with less clothes at 190.0 exactly, that is over 25 lb in 2 days.  :S Is ok, I will drop 20 in 3-4 days by dropping carbs. Lol, this is part of the reason why I can do "weight-loss" contests so well  8)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on April 20, 2015, 07:39:40 AM

Sakustoms: sometimes your body fights back to try and keep a set point. Water movement can confuse things but eventually, that eating does catch up though. Eat to your goals (pleasure or performance). Props and support either way.



My cut is done. Down to a semi depleted 171  :o.   I feel ready with 46 days to go. Planning on calorie management to maintain and let my connective tissue catch up. This week I got my head back on straight and I proved to myself I didnt really lose any significant amount of strength. This week: Deads DOH 455, Bench 315, Lunge 365, Weighted Pullups 2xBW, my grip strength is way up and my jumps are getting easier and higher.

Yea I get what you're saying. I'm up to 160 this morning but my pants are still loose and I'm down belt notch from where I was 2 weeks ago. Just busted up my knee and won't be doing BJJ for a couple weeks at least so zero cardio. Think I might rein in the eating somewhat and see what happens.

Your conditioning and strength are amazing. You're an inspiration. Best of luck again on ANW.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 20, 2015, 11:27:29 AM
Yea I get what you're saying. I'm up to 160 this morning but my pants are still loose and I'm down belt notch from where I was 2 weeks ago. Just busted up my knee and won't be doing BJJ for a couple weeks at least so zero cardio. Think I might rein in the eating somewhat and see what happens.

Your conditioning and strength are amazing. You're an inspiration. Best of luck again on ANW.

the rolling is probably a major part in you staying leaner. I was always surprised what my TDEE was when I fought.

Thanks for the encouragement.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on April 24, 2015, 09:10:40 AM
Great info and motivation in here. I'm still plugging away on a deficit. Lower stomach fat is still holding on for dear life it seems. bouncing around 189-190 lbs and hoping its just a matter of more time to get lean. Currently eating close to 2000 cals/250p/65f and going to start incorporating a weekly or every ten days refeed at about 2400-2500 cals, lower protein slightly, dropping fat way down and increasing carbs. The carbs generally make me feel like a lethargic sloth the next day, but if it helps I'll deal with it....
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 24, 2015, 04:12:18 PM
Great info and motivation in here. I'm still plugging away on a deficit. Lower stomach fat is still holding on for dear life it seems. bouncing around 189-190 lbs and hoping its just a matter of more time to get lean. Currently eating close to 2000 cals/250p/65f and going to start incorporating a weekly or every ten days refeed at about 2400-2500 cals, lower protein slightly, dropping fat way down and increasing carbs. The carbs generally make me feel like a lethargic sloth the next day, but if it helps I'll deal with it....

Rooting for ya! Keep it moving.  ;)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on April 26, 2015, 06:53:28 PM
Nice to see all that are still hanging in there!

I am still pacing along.   Today was tough.   Son's bday.   Asked to have Chinese food for dinner (have not been eating it since going on diet).   Not going to let him down....so you just do what you do.   Also ate my slice of  cake too.   I truly did not want to eat it, but tonight is our 'family' party and just us.   Not going to not partake in the festivities.

One thing that is important to me (and one of the reasons that I am not crazy about competing) is I always eat what my family eats.  (although my protein to carb portions may be different).   We eat as a family every night, and I dont want my kids growing up with any feelings like you have to fixated on eating.

This is especially true as I have a 11yo daughter who is already becoming self aware of the pressure on girls to look a certain way.   I want her to see that you should never have to do anything 'radical' to have a healthy or lean figure.

If I did not have my family concerns, I would probably play with modified KETO diets. (CKD mostly)  Having spent several years of my life on them in my younger days, I know they are incredibly effective for me.   

But, truth be told, I have been able to eclipse what before used to take 'radical' dieting with just smart and balanced choices and conscious eating.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on April 26, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
I had Chinese for dinner last night too.  Scale showed it this morning.  Today I started my water loading for the meet.  I was 186.4 waking up, I'm a little over a gallon in and down to 184 again.  I should be in good shape for Friday's weigh in.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on April 26, 2015, 07:41:30 PM
We eat as a family every night, and I dont want my kids growing up with any feelings like you have to fixated on eating.

This is especially true as I have a 11yo daughter who is already becoming self aware of the pressure on girls to look a certain way.   I want her to see that you should never have to do anything 'radical' to have a healthy or lean figure.

If I did not have my family concerns, I would probably play with modified KETO diets. (CKD mostly)  Having spent several years of my life on them in my younger days, I know they are incredibly effective for me.   


Me too. Usually save carbs and such for dinner with the kids to appear more "normal"

I had Chinese for dinner last night too.  Scale showed it this morning.  Today I started my water loading for the meet.  I was 186.4 waking up, I'm a little over a gallon in and down to 184 again.  I should be in good shape for Friday's weigh in.


What's your weigh in target?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on April 26, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
What's your weigh in target?
181.  Should be pretty easy.  I'm ramping up water intake until Thursday morning while cutting back on carbs and sodium.  Weigh in is Friday morning at 10.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on May 06, 2015, 12:40:10 PM
181.  Should be pretty easy.  I'm ramping up water intake until Thursday morning while cutting back on carbs and sodium.  Weigh in is Friday morning at 10.

Update?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: BLK00TJ on May 06, 2015, 04:33:01 PM
181.  Should be pretty easy.  I'm ramping up water intake until Thursday morning while cutting back on carbs and sodium.  Weigh in is Friday morning at 10.

Update?
I weighed in at 181.6 with clothes on which was within their lbs - kg conversion for the 181.b class (weird).  When i got home, I weighed myself with and without clothes and calculated I was wearing 2.8lbs of clothing.  That means my "real" weight at time of weigh in was 178.8.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on May 06, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
I weighed in at 181.6 with clothes on which was within their lbs - kg conversion for the 181.b class (weird).  When i got home, I weighed myself with and without clothes and calculated I was wearing 2.8lbs of clothing.  That means my "real" weight at time of weigh in was 178.8.

Nice work!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on May 07, 2015, 03:47:15 PM
I'm 4 weeks out for ANW today and figure a high calorie day is due in case my met needs a reset button push.
IDK that my body even knows what Leptin is anymore, and yes, I know Leptin levels usually require more than one heavy meal. That being said, I've had better outcomes of late with one calorie spike vs my historical 24 and 48 feeds:

Scheduled refeed today (and it's my birthday- 43):
-minimal intake early in the day fasted w/o, 30P post/wo, 50P lunch,
-Big refeed dinner: 100P, 400C (100F), 80F

Target Daily Totals:
180P
408C
84F
~3100 calories (600 TDEE surplus)

Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on May 07, 2015, 04:28:35 PM
I'm 4 weeks out for ANW today and figure a high calorie day is due in case my met needs a reset button push.
IDK that my body even knows what Leptin is anymore, and yes, I know Leptin levels usually require more than one heavy meal. That being said, I've had better outcomes of late with one calorie spike vs my historical 24 and 48 feeds:

Scheduled refeed today (and it's my birthday- 43):
-minimal intake early in the day fasted w/o, 30P post/wo, 50P lunch,
-Big refeed dinner: 100P, 400C (100F), 80F

Target Daily Totals:
180P
408C
84F
~3100 calories (600 TDEE surplus)

Well, happy birthday Chris! Enjoy the meal  :)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Cali on May 07, 2015, 07:01:42 PM
Happy birthday amigo!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on May 08, 2015, 07:57:40 AM
Well, happy birthday Chris! Enjoy the meal  :)

Happy birthday amigo!

Thanks guys! Refeed is done. Managed to sleep through the night without my typical carb up induced Charlie horses. So happy birthday to me. With the carb up out of the way, I can buckle down the next 4 weeks and be really sharp come june4th.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on May 08, 2015, 09:04:28 AM
Well, happy birthday Chris! Enjoy the meal  :)

Happy birthday amigo!

Thanks guys! Refeed is done. Managed to sleep through the night without my typical carb up induced Charlie horses. So happy birthday to me. With the carb up out of the way, I can buckle down the next 4 weeks and be really sharp come june4th.

Happy Belated Birthday! Do you ever feel like shit the day after a high carb day? I have only done a few where I really focused on keeping fat lower, pro moderate, and getting lots of carbs and it seems to make me feel like a lethargic sloth the next day. I eat decent carb sources, oats, bread, sweet potatoes, reg potatoes, extra veg etc. I wonder if has something to do with being adapted to higher pro/fat for energy? Also soon as I eat carbs I'm starving all day, I could get by fine on 2200 or less most days with mostly pro and fat, but could easily put away 3K in carbs and feel unsatiable all day...I'm surpirsed your leptin hasn't just died by now or given up  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: cmoore on May 08, 2015, 09:54:27 AM
Happy Belated Birthday! Do you ever feel like shit the day after a high carb day? I have only done a few where I really focused on keeping fat lower, pro moderate, and getting lots of carbs and it seems to make me feel like a lethargic sloth the next day. I eat decent carb sources, oats, bread, sweet potatoes, reg potatoes, extra veg etc. I wonder if has something to do with being adapted to higher pro/fat for energy? Also soon as I eat carbs I'm starving all day, I could get by fine on 2200 or less most days with mostly pro and fat, but could easily put away 3K in carbs and feel unsatiable all day...I'm surpirsed your leptin hasn't just died by now or given up  ;D

Carb loading usually causes me to have intense night calf cramps (somehow I escaped that last night). I don't like carb ups beyond the academic benefits, I typically feel hungover the next day and irritable. For me the sweet spot of spillover is right at 400g C, anything beyond that really shows up and lasts over the following few days.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on May 08, 2015, 11:07:07 AM
Happy Belated Birthday! Do you ever feel like shit the day after a high carb day? I have only done a few where I really focused on keeping fat lower, pro moderate, and getting lots of carbs and it seems to make me feel like a lethargic sloth the next day. I eat decent carb sources, oats, bread, sweet potatoes, reg potatoes, extra veg etc. I wonder if has something to do with being adapted to higher pro/fat for energy? Also soon as I eat carbs I'm starving all day, I could get by fine on 2200 or less most days with mostly pro and fat, but could easily put away 3K in carbs and feel unsatiable all day...I'm surpirsed your leptin hasn't just died by now or given up  ;D

Carb loading usually causes me to have intense night calf cramps (somehow I escaped that last night). I don't like carb ups beyond the academic benefits, I typically feel hungover the next day and irritable. For me the sweet spot of spillover is right at 400g C, anything beyond that really shows up and lasts over the following few days.

Yea hung over is a good description. I shed the scale weight pretty quickly, but I feel tired and irritable the next day. Strange. I'm still too fat to know when I'm spilling over etc but I can tell massive amounts (for me 400-600g don't help my training any the following day.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on May 08, 2015, 07:06:56 PM
The "drunk" part is a good word for it.   I have not been 'refeeding' as much as I should at this point.   I am thinking that I am almost at the point where one good meal a week...or maybe once every two weeks would be good.   In the four months I have only had 3 "cheat" meals....and they were not really that bad as I ate lightly during the day in prep for them.   Except for one where I just let myself binge and rolled with it along with a few beers with an evening with friends.

I am almost at the point where I am going to institute a more defined carb cycle.   Bringing carbs up intra and post workout via additional dextrose.    I found when I experimented this summer, I could consume as much as 60g intra and not even be impacted like I am when I eat plain sugar otherwise.  (no crash...etc).   I also figured that I could get some more carbs in after the workout without much harm.   Some call this "carb backloading".

It will be a good experiment when the time comes......   I am not quite there yet and want the skin to thin out just a little more first.

Oh...and happy belated Chris!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on May 08, 2015, 09:48:06 PM
^^^ let us know when you go to intra so we can all invest in smarties  :jester:
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on May 09, 2015, 07:53:22 AM
^^^ let us know when you go to intra so we can all invest in smarties  :jester:

I bought a bag of smarties to try that last year. 6g dex per roll. I don't see myself ever pounding 10 rolls of smarties, I'd probably throw up. Powder would be the whey to go  ;)
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on July 28, 2015, 09:56:15 PM
Hello old friends.

Due to massive fat accumulation , it is beyond time to start a cut again.
Because of my current shoulder injury i cant try as i would like so a cut should help my state of mind. Plus i look like a bloated weeble, so away we go.

Per my usual strategy beer may still be consumed at will. Will likely throw a few vodka and diet tonics to save a few cals here and there. Furthermore, i have no intention of counting a single calorie. Lastly i will not weigh myself at all to start. No before pics will be posted. When i feel i have some solid results i will post pics and then weigh in. As usual i welcome your criticism of my style, but as always i will ignore and go about my business. I estimate my current weight at about 200 lbs.

One change is that i will be forced to do some cardio as my training is limited in what i can do right now.

Anyways, thanks for your time


Your pal,

Djflex
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on July 28, 2015, 10:24:15 PM
Good luck!

Only way I can drop is by counting cals. Build in a few beers or rum and cokes periodically too.
So far down from a high of 224 and hovering at 197. Got another 10-15lbs to go.
Except immediately after I eat I've gotten used to being a little hungry most of the time. After the first four weeks it's now just a little annoying niggle in the back of my mind.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on July 28, 2015, 10:27:27 PM
Thanks piper
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on July 28, 2015, 10:49:25 PM

So far down from a high of 224 and hovering at 197. Got another 10-15lbs to go.
Except immediately after I eat I've gotten used to being a little hungry most of the time. After the first four weeks it's now just a little annoying niggle in the back of my mind.

Very nice.

I used a "system" called "volumetrics" when I made my initial weight loss and I never felt hungry. Basically you eat eat foods high in water. I used to (and still enjoy) these massive salads with a mountain of veggies and a couple chicken breasts sliced thin. Drizzle of olive oil and red wine vinegar, tablespoon of blue cheese or feta crumbles. It was a lot of tasty food at a minimal calorie count. Just something to consider.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on July 29, 2015, 07:00:57 AM

So far down from a high of 224 and hovering at 197. Got another 10-15lbs to go.
Except immediately after I eat I've gotten used to being a little hungry most of the time. After the first four weeks it's now just a little annoying niggle in the back of my mind.

Very nice.

I used a "system" called "volumetrics" when I made my initial weight loss and I never felt hungry. Basically you eat eat foods high in water. I used to (and still enjoy) these massive salads with a mountain of veggies and a couple chicken breasts sliced thin. Drizzle of olive oil and red wine vinegar, tablespoon of blue cheese or feta crumbles. It was a lot of tasty food at a minimal calorie count. Just something to consider.

I was doing really well with packing a lunch with lots of veggies usually 2 cups worth, 1/2 cups rice and then some type of protein. Then I got lazy  :(
Need to up my game on the lunches again, because you're absolutely correct. 2 cups worth of mixed veggies kept me full for hours. Did the same with dinner. Still get a little hungry even with the veggies and stuff but not too bad.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on July 29, 2015, 08:06:56 AM

So far down from a high of 224 and hovering at 197. Got another 10-15lbs to go.
Except immediately after I eat I've gotten used to being a little hungry most of the time. After the first four weeks it's now just a little annoying niggle in the back of my mind.

Very nice.

I used a "system" called "volumetrics" when I made my initial weight loss and I never felt hungry. Basically you eat eat foods high in water. I used to (and still enjoy) these massive salads with a mountain of veggies and a couple chicken breasts sliced thin. Drizzle of olive oil and red wine vinegar, tablespoon of blue cheese or feta crumbles. It was a lot of tasty food at a minimal calorie count. Just something to consider.

I was doing really well with packing a lunch with lots of veggies usually 2 cups worth, 1/2 cups rice and then some type of protein. Then I got lazy  :(
Need to up my game on the lunches again, because you're absolutely correct. 2 cups worth of mixed veggies kept me full for hours. Did the same with dinner. Still get a little hungry even with the veggies and stuff but not too bad.

Well you sure have had good success si far. Stay at it
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: djflex on July 29, 2015, 09:00:53 PM
Holy cow , grumpy as fuk already...


Lolz
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Plateauplower on July 30, 2015, 09:45:17 AM
That first two weeks sucks pretty bad...Like bando I like food volume. So I prett much avoid protein powder and drinking any calories other than alcohol but I adjust food to make that fit when dieting. Flat bread wraps with any type of meat seem to work well for me. I generelly have to keep carbs very low in a deficit to not be starving all day. GL
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: XavierNusum on August 01, 2015, 09:39:18 PM
I started my conditioning, fat loss phase of LRB365 so I'm trading in my powerlifting split for HIIT 2X wk, steady state 2x wk and two high volume, low intensity lifting sessions. Also dropped cals by 300 (10%) and switched to 30p/30c/40f. It's gonna be a long six weeks. I miss eating and lifting heavy already.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on August 11, 2015, 07:05:15 AM
While I'm not officially cutting, I have started eating better ( since Monday last week ) and have lost about 5 lbs so far.

My goal is just to work on dropping as much fat from my mid section as possible.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on August 11, 2015, 07:48:59 AM
While I'm not officially cutting, I have started eating better ( since Monday last week ) and have lost about 5 lbs so far.

My goal is just to work on dropping as much fat from my mid section as possible.

Small changes like you're doing have a large impact over time.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on August 11, 2015, 09:21:36 AM
While I'm not officially cutting, I have started eating better ( since Monday last week ) and have lost about 5 lbs so far.

My goal is just to work on dropping as much fat from my mid section as possible.

Small changes like you're doing have a large impact over time.

I'm hoping I can keep it up for a while. I have a real hard time sticking to eating healthy.

I'm not gonna push myself too hard and limit everything. Whenever I do that I fall completely off.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: piperdown on August 11, 2015, 10:20:57 AM
While I'm not officially cutting, I have started eating better ( since Monday last week ) and have lost about 5 lbs so far.

My goal is just to work on dropping as much fat from my mid section as possible.

Small changes like you're doing have a large impact over time.

I'm hoping I can keep it up for a while. I have a real hard time sticking to eating healthy.

I'm not gonna push myself too hard and limit everything. Whenever I do that I fall completely off.

I don't cut out anything, just plan for it. And if I'm a little over one day, no worries, I can make it up over the next couple days.
I eat pretty light during the day which leaves me ~1000 or little less cals at the end of the day. So, on Friday nights, which is pizza night at home, I'll have a slice or two and a couple beers.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: sakustoms on August 11, 2015, 11:33:54 AM
While I'm not officially cutting, I have started eating better ( since Monday last week ) and have lost about 5 lbs so far.

My goal is just to work on dropping as much fat from my mid section as possible.

Small changes like you're doing have a large impact over time.

I'm hoping I can keep it up for a while. I have a real hard time sticking to eating healthy.

I'm not gonna push myself too hard and limit everything. Whenever I do that I fall completely off.

I don't cut out anything, just plan for it. And if I'm a little over one day, no worries, I can make it up over the next couple days.
I eat pretty light during the day which leaves me ~1000 or little less cals at the end of the day. So, on Friday nights, which is pizza night at home, I'll have a slice or two and a couple beers.

That sounds a lot easier.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Huntforfun on March 03, 2016, 02:58:51 PM
MY trainer is prepping me for my first physique show, as of right now Im on little to no carbs at all with one carbload/cheat per weekend.

I went from 165-150lbs in 2 months. Pretty steady, my protein intake is great... im still hitting some numbers on excersizes I was at 165 which is awesome and strange at the same time. Soon he said I am going to have to do keto I believe its called? right before my show... from what he said it sounds horrible : ((( anyone know what it is exactly?
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Get-n-fit on March 03, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
If you're at little to no carbs no, you're probably already in Keto, it only takes about 3 days of extremely low carbs, high protein/fats to get into keto.   Keto is basically, giving your body no choice but to burn it's existing fat reserves instead of any new carbs you'd provide I.  Once you're in Keto, you will know bc your piss will have a very strong horrid smell to it.  Your sweat and breath will also stink.   

Online def from http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/180858.php: (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/180858.php:)
In normal circumstances, the body's cells use glucose as their main form of energy. Glucose is typically derived from dietary carbohydrates, including sugar and starchy foods such as bread and pasta which the body breaks down into simple sugars. Glucose can either be used to fuel the body or stored in the liver and muscles as glycogen.1

If there is not enough glucose available to meet energy demands, the body will adopt an alternative strategy in order to meet those demands. Specifically, the body begins to break down fat stores to provide glucose from triglycerides. Ketones are a by-product of this process.

Ketones are acids that build up in the blood and are eliminated in urine. In small amounts, they serve to indicate that the body is breaking down fat, but high levels of ketones can poison the body, leading to a process called ketoacidosis.2

Ketosis describes the metabolic state whereby the body converts fat stores into energy, releasing ketones in the process.3
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Huntforfun on March 03, 2016, 10:23:51 PM
If you're at little to no carbs no, you're probably already in Keto, it only takes about 3 days of extremely low carbs, high protein/fats to get into keto.   Keto is basically, giving your body no choice but to burn it's existing fat reserves instead of any new carbs you'd provide I.  Once you're in Keto, you will know bc your piss will have a very strong horrid smell to it.  Your sweat and breath will also stink.   

Online def from [url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/180858.php:[/url] ([url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/180858.php:[/url])
In normal circumstances, the body's cells use glucose as their main form of energy. Glucose is typically derived from dietary carbohydrates, including sugar and starchy foods such as bread and pasta which the body breaks down into simple sugars. Glucose can either be used to fuel the body or stored in the liver and muscles as glycogen.1

If there is not enough glucose available to meet energy demands, the body will adopt an alternative strategy in order to meet those demands. Specifically, the body begins to break down fat stores to provide glucose from triglycerides. Ketones are a by-product of this process.

Ketones are acids that build up in the blood and are eliminated in urine. In small amounts, they serve to indicate that the body is breaking down fat, but high levels of ketones can poison the body, leading to a process called ketoacidosis.2

Ketosis describes the metabolic state whereby the body converts fat stores into energy, releasing ketones in the process.3


thanks alot this explains so much. its so weird I have the same strength but i feel tired, he said thats what would happen though. I like cannot wait for my cheats!

Im almost done though 4th quarter....
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: kimm4 on March 03, 2016, 10:37:22 PM
If you're at little to no carbs no, you're probably already in Keto, it only takes about 3 days of extremely low carbs, high protein/fats to get into keto.   Keto is basically, giving your body no choice but to burn it's existing fat reserves instead of any new carbs you'd provide I.  Once you're in Keto, you will know bc your piss will have a very strong horrid smell to it.  Your sweat and breath will also stink.   

Online def from [url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/180858.php:[/url] ([url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/180858.php:[/url])
In normal circumstances, the body's cells use glucose as their main form of energy. Glucose is typically derived from dietary carbohydrates, including sugar and starchy foods such as bread and pasta which the body breaks down into simple sugars. Glucose can either be used to fuel the body or stored in the liver and muscles as glycogen.1

If there is not enough glucose available to meet energy demands, the body will adopt an alternative strategy in order to meet those demands. Specifically, the body begins to break down fat stores to provide glucose from triglycerides. Ketones are a by-product of this process.

Ketones are acids that build up in the blood and are eliminated in urine. In small amounts, they serve to indicate that the body is breaking down fat, but high levels of ketones can poison the body, leading to a process called ketoacidosis.2

Ketosis describes the metabolic state whereby the body converts fat stores into energy, releasing ketones in the process.3


thanks alot this explains so much. its so weird I have the same strength but i feel tired, he said thats what would happen though. I like cannot wait for my cheats!

Im almost done though 4th quarter....


Feeling tired is normal when following a keto diet.  Keto is a personal preference and nothing more.  I've never been a fan of keto dieting and I like my carbs, especially when dieting down for shows. :)

Good luck to you!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Bando on March 03, 2016, 11:44:22 PM
DerAlta coached me through my weight loss to make weight for last weekend's competition, incorporating keto. On Thursday (weigh in Friday) I could have no carbs, I couldn't find much to eat but went to a place and ordered an omelet, just the meats please. Came out with a heaping side of homefries and thick buttery toast  :'(

Scooped all but the eggs into the compost bin. Made weight.

I think it's a good short term solution, but I've long been a fan of complex carbs as soon as you wake up.
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Huntforfun on March 04, 2016, 04:01:24 AM
Yeah I would much rather have some carbs than none at all. I literally live off olive oi,l peanutbutter, fish, eggs, and shakes at the moment....

 But its my first show so I kind of put the reigns in my trainers hand in terms of dieting.

Next time with more experience and education on nutrition ill try it different.

But after this show I plan to bulk for a good minute and really add some mass
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: induced_drag on March 04, 2016, 08:44:52 AM
I spent over two years of my life on a CKD diet in my 20's.  (A keto diet with targeted influx of carbs).    It was for me the best diet I have ever had as far as natural progress goes.  (the ability to get and stay lean while getting bigger and stronger).   But it was too much mentally and very difficult diet to maintain a "regular" life.


I now know that I can achieve the same or very similar results eating a more "normal" diet and without food restrictions.   Follow your coach for the prep and then start learning and experimenting with nutrition on your own. 

FOOD is in my opinion the most powerful tool you have at your disposal on how you look.   To me, it even trumps "reps and sets" or whatever programming you might be running.   You have tons of time....learn to use food to eat for your goals.

Good luck.   You are doing GREAT!
Title: Re: Iron Sanctuary official cutting thread
Post by: Huntforfun on March 04, 2016, 12:30:50 PM
I spent over two years of my life on a CKD diet in my 20's.  (A keto diet with targeted influx of carbs).    It was for me the best diet I have ever had as far as natural progress goes.  (the ability to get and stay lean while getting bigger and stronger).   But it was too much mentally and very difficult diet to maintain a "regular" life.


I now know that I can achieve the same or very similar results eating a more "normal" diet and without food restrictions.   Follow your coach for the prep and then start learning and experimenting with nutrition on your own. 

FOOD is in my opinion the most powerful tool you have at your disposal on how you look.   To me, it even trumps "reps and sets" or whatever programming you might be running.   You have tons of time....learn to use food to eat for your goals.

Good luck.   You are doing GREAT!

thanks for the support bro. like they say, sometimes its 70 diet 30 gym


thats great reassurance to know i can have similar growth results with a more normal diet; definitely sucks when the boys want a burger and I have to get chicken at the hawaiin bbq joint next door